This is after that book. I believe that covers the first age
Spoilers Lord of the Rings TV series
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Elrond was born late in the First Age. His twin brother Elros founded the kingdom of Numenor at the beginning of the Second Age. Aragorn is descended from Elros, thus Arwen is his extraordinarily removed first cousin.
Gandalf and the other Istari arrived (separately) at the Grey Havens circa 1000 TE. Gandalf was, if I remember correctly, the last of the five to arrive. Wasn't it Cirdan the shipwright who recognized his power and gave him one of the three Elven rings on his arrival?
I didn't know that, and it kind of surprises me, I knew it had some stuff about the First Age, but I had assumed it had a lot on the Second too.
Hopefully they're smart enough to stick to the same content level we got in the shows and movies. Is there any sex in the books at all?
I'm pretty sure the already announced new actors for Elrond and Galadriel.
Yes.
Morfydd Clark is Galadriel (who we heard in the title sequence). We don't know about any of the other castings but if Elrond shows up (and he probably will), it won't be Hugo Weaving.
Gandalf may or may not show up, but I wouldn't expect Ian McKellan to return either, no matter how much I want that to happen.
I'm guessing what we get on Amazon is going to be along the 'creative license' path that the Shadow of Mordor and Shadow of War computer games took. There was not (I don't think) any outright 'sex scenes' in them, but there were certainly 'half-dressed woman coming out of bedroom to look out window with her lover' type stuff.
In terms of creative license Shadow of War and Mordor spoilers
Shelob (yes the spider shelob) shown to have had a human form and was Sauron's lover before being betrayed and vowing revenge. She works against his forces and the game even goes so far as to explain her actions in the books against Frodo as 'sensing Frodo was getting close to no longer being able to fight the hold of the ring she did it all to 'push him quickly' through. lol
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Who's playing Celebrían? She was born in SA 300 and Elrond in FA 532 - quite an age gap there of 355 years. Galadriel was born YT 1362 and she bore Celebrían when she was 1,025 years old. Could probably include some mother-in-law joke here.
Like I said, we don't know any of the other castings. We know about a couple dozen or so actors who are on the show but we don't know who any of them are playing. Clark is the one exception.
We don't know how much the series will stick to the novels, of course. Even in the movies, I don't think we were informed that Galadriel is Elrond's mother-in-law and Arwen's grandmother nor did we see Arwen's twin brothers, Elrohir and Elladan. That Arwen was nearly 2,700 years older than Aragorn also wasn't mentioned in the movies. I expect there could well be minor character changes and simplification but I would hope the whole lore of the reshaping of Arda, the sinking of Númenor and the sundering of Valinor would be preserved.
"Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age" constitutes only about 20 pages of The Silmarillion so I guess there is room for lots of interpolation.
"Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age" constitutes only about 20 pages of The Silmarillion so I guess there is room for lots of interpolation.
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Canon will be violated. Head canons will be violated. Your childhood will be smote like that Balrog on the mountainside.
Take the show for what it is when it turns up. Tolkien's work survived Rankin's Return of the King back in the 80s, even survived Bakshi's Balrog in comfy slippers. (I enjoyed both) I'm sure this series will do no harm and might even be enjoyable.
Take the show for what it is when it turns up. Tolkien's work survived Rankin's Return of the King back in the 80s, even survived Bakshi's Balrog in comfy slippers. (I enjoyed both) I'm sure this series will do no harm and might even be enjoyable.
How dare you be reasonable?! On the internet no less!
Ugh. That’s beyond stupid. I read the wiki on the game and the stupidity wasn’t contained to just that.
Hopefully any creative license on Amazon’s part will not deviate as much or be as inane.
I have a feeling most of the major points the books brought up will happen, but there will probably be lots of twists, and some of the stuff will probably happen in ways we didn't expect, but still follows what was already established.
The series apparently has been assigned a 14+ rating so rumours about it being a GoT wannabe are probably false.
Even though the series doesn't have the involvement of anybody from the Peter Jackson Middle-earth films, I'd honestly be surprised if it didn't follow the broad-strokes continuity of those films (which means no sons for Elrond, no marital relationship between his family and Galadriel, etc.)
The production has been in touch with Jackson and his people, though I don't think they're involved directly, and New Line Cinema is also involved in the production, so I'm sure The Rings of Power will at least be somewhat connected to the films. But that doesn't mean we won't see Celebrían; she and Elrond met in Rivendell in the Second Age, though they didn't marry until early in the Third Age. I'd be shocked if they didn't include her because this show will desperately need more female characters.
Elladan, Elrohir, and Arwen weren't born until the Third Age, so we shouldn't see any of them unless the show goes beyond the War of the Last Alliance.
Elladan, Elrohir, and Arwen weren't born until the Third Age, so we shouldn't see any of them unless the show goes beyond the War of the Last Alliance.
Arwen is an only child in Peter Jackson's version of Middle-earth, and there are no indications of any familial connections between her, her father, and Galadriel, so in order for The Rings of Power to be in continuity with the Hobbit and LotR films, Celebrian, if she shows up, can't have her literary backstory.
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