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Lorca: Fans Will Have To Adjust

... That's why things like the transporter accident in TMP is something people my age remember, because that film had the gall to classify itself as rated G. But exceptions never prove the rule.
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The "G" rating was a different beast in those days. "G" is supposed to mean it's for "General Audiences," rather than just some inoffensive fare aimed specifically at little kids. And in the beginning, the rating was actually accurate in that sense. The Andromeda Strain was another example, a G-rated movie that had some rather disturbing stuff.

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I find that emoji a bid snarky, so maybe you deserve a warning from the moderators.

I didn't think it was snarky. :shrug:

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The great thing about watching with your kids? You can answer any questions they have. They aren't learning things from the internet or the playground. I give him honest information, cutting off any misinterpretations from other sources.

Considering I have a daughter that has finished college, owns her own home, has a great career, a son that is in college and just an all-around great person, I'll take my way of raising my kids over other folks any day of the week.

But thanks for your concern. And just so there is no misrepresentation, that is the snarkiest of snark. Snark is not against the board rules.

Once again you miss the entire purpose of my post.

I mean, I guess I appreciate the explanation of your family and how you parent (although I find any parent who has to explain how successful and great their kids are to be just incredibly obnoxious) but the truth is I really don't care, nor is it about that at all. Because once again, you can't follow the basic argument I'm trying to make.

Because not talking about you or me, we are talking about ratings and mass audiences and what Star Trek "should" or "shouldn't" be in my eyes.

To me, it should be a show with a rating of PG/PG-13 or TV-PG or TV-14 rating. I want a show that, in a parent's absence (not just me or you with your kids) would be safely appropriate for a kid of about 8-12. It's not about asking questions, or watching with supervision... would you sit and watch a porno with your 10 year old and just let him ask you questions?

No, because while that's an extreme and hyperbolic (and unrealistic) example, the logic applies that there are some things inappropriate for kids, regardless of if they can ask questions of their parents. There are some things that, even with a parent's supervision the child may have a hard time reconciling and dealing with psychologically. It's not about shielding them from reality, or being a bad or good parent, but what works for me does not work for you, and vice versa. Some parents let their kids train with guns at a young age, others think that is inappropriate. Neither is right or wrong.

This is my PERSONAL OPINION about what I think Star Trek should be. There's nothing to debate or argue. This is ME expressing how I feel Star Trek works best.

When I said it the first time, it did not require a rebuke. This is not a criticism of Discovery either. I'm still excited for it, but am disappointed they didn't go for a lower rating.
 
IThe networks during that time had content on lock-down. Sexual language was hidden behind innuendo. Sex scenes happened during commercial breaks. Scenes of gore were few and far between across all of Trek. That's why things like the transporter accident in TMP is something people my age remember, because that film had the gall to classify itself as rated G. But exceptions never prove the rule.

How Discovery is being described, though, I am wondering whether they are going to have severed limbs and disembowelments via the blade-happy Klingons, just because "well, that's what TV is about these days". Isn't the idea of chasing trends what brought us questionable decisions like the pop song on Enterprise?

They have to make sure if they go there that it is absolutely necessary, otherwise it's just gratuitous exercise in pandering to today's fashion trends, which is what I thought Kelvin-verse reeked of.

Exactly. I am fine with a darker, more adult themed show. I'm even fine if there's sex and violence. But there better a point to it. A good example is the sex scene in Defenders. I get that even without it, the show is still MA, but what's the point of explicit showing Luke Cage pounding away at Claire on the kitchen table? Isn't showing them kiss, tearing at their clothes, and cutting to them sitting on the floor half dressed, sweaty, with broken furniture enough?

Now, there are times when showing a sex scene can have a purpose-- when their behavior DURING the act is important to their character, or helps show some new element that creates a plot point. So I hope if their is graphic sex, and graphic violence, we are informing a character or advancing a story element rather than, as you say, "eh this is just want people like nowadays."
 

Depends on what you mean by "child." There's certainly very few episodes of any Trek that most parents would feel uncomfortable letting their 10 year old watch unsupervised.

A few outliers here and there to be sure (on both ends of the spectrum, with some episodes being downright toddler-friendly) but by-and-large it's been TV-PG at worst.
 
I think the point being presented is that a parent wants to be able for the next generation to be able to enjoy it at a young age like many did, rather than have to pan it if the show turns out to be something more suited to late night HBO or Showtime, instead of a primetime network show where the whole family could watch it.
 
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