Lorca: Fans Will Have To Adjust

[Krandor]

Around 2012 to 2014 one thought was to show Hollywood the anime Space Battleship Yamato 2199 as an example of how one should do a remake/reboot of a TV series that updates the 40 year old content while staying true to the feel of the show.

That was an awesome update.

 

[fireproof78]

Rating doesn't mean something is or isn't dark and gritty. I cite Batman: The Animated Series as an example. The rating for that cartoon was PG. Yet the overall theme of the series was very dark, gritty, and focused on the dramatic. Rating means bupkis when it comes to whether or not something is considered dark and gritty.

How about Clone Wars?

 

[Amaris]

How about Clone Wars?

I haven't watched enough of the series to say. I've only seen a few episodes.

 

[Vger23]

It is weird to watch some of these conversations go down the same path as discussions about the Abrams films. Some folks have their own feelings about Star Trek that are more important than what has actually appeared on screen.

The emotions, reactions, and positions of the various "camps" within fandom are nearly identical every time there's a Trek inflection point.

 

[fireproof78]

I haven't watched enough of the series to say. I've only seen a few episodes.

Ok, then I'll fill you in because a lot of clones buy it in pretty gruesome ways, and are only saved by a cutaway. I can't find the gif, but there is one of a Clone pilot who gets caught by flak, and the canopy is hit and he falls out of frame and the gunship crashes.

Or, Moana? Which describes infanticide in pretty dark detail. Or, pretty much any Disney film where the parents die in some gruesome way.

 

[Amaris]

Ok, then I'll fill you in because a lot of clones buy it in pretty gruesome ways, and are only saved by a cutaway. I can't find the gif, but there is one of a Clone pilot who gets caught by flak, and the canopy is hit and he falls out of frame and the gunship crashes.

Or, Moana? Which describes infanticide in pretty dark detail. Or, pretty much any Disney film where the parents die in some gruesome way.

That does sound dark. Many Disney films get a G rating, too. Hell, Bambi gets a G rating, and it has a seriously traumatizing moment.

 

[Vger23]

In my mind, Nomad didn't erase anything. He simply interrupted the areas of the brain that retained the skills and information. Nothing else makes sense.

Of course, that is my interpretation.

This almost MUST be true, and is supported by the fact that she starts speaking Swahili during on scene of being "re-educated."

 

[Amaris]

I agree, somewhat but I think we can all agree that their are different levels to this. HBO and Showtime are one level of what you can do, FX,AMC is a notch bellow that and, USA,TBS,Sci-FI are bellow those. CW seems a notch lower and then at the very bottom you have ABC,CBS,NBC and Fox, though for some reason Fox always seems to either get away with more or simply tries to get away with more than the other basic network channels.

I think it's not very likely this show will feel like a HBO or even AMC style of show. I am thinking more "Sci-FI" channel. People keep wanting to compare it to "Game of Thrones" but I think it will feel more like "Battlestar Galatica" IMO. Dark and Gritty but somewhat tamed down by no graphic sex,pg-13 violence and a lack of extensive cussing. Which is okay IMO but i'm not sure that is what casual fans will want. It can be seen as to graphic to some and not edgy enough to others. Then if it takes itself to serious I think that will hurt if people just want some escapism fun, which usually means lots of humor and fun violence as oposed to graphic and depressing violence.

Jason

DS9 had some heavy ass episodes, but there were plenty of fun moments.

 

[Tuskin38]

Ok, then I'll fill you in because a lot of clones buy it in pretty gruesome ways, and are only saved by a cutaway. I can't find the gif, but there is one of a Clone pilot who gets caught by flak, and the canopy is hit and he falls out of frame and the gunship crashes.

There were also scenes in some episodes cut from airing (but included on the home/netflix release) because they were too graphic for their rating.

Even Rebels has had some not so nice scenes hidden by cutaways.

 

[Jayson1]

DS9 had some heavy ass episodes, but there were plenty of fun moments.

I agree. You can be do drama and have fun at the same time. I think people come to Trek and comic book stuff for that kind of experience. I think most people watch different shows for different reasons. I don't know if Trek can ever be that edgy Soprano's,The Wire etc type of show. I think maybe a movie or a mini-series in that vein could work but not a whole show. It's kind of like "Logan." I think everyone loved "Logan" the movie but I don't think they want that as the typical X-Men movie.

Jason

 

[Nerys Myk]

In my mind, Nomad didn't erase anything. He simply interrupted the areas of the brain that retained the skills and information. Nothing else makes sense.

Of course, that is my interpretation.

Didn't Nomad kill 4 billion people in the Malurian system and the Giant Space Amoeba™ killed billions in Gamma 7a system. Genocide is pretty dark.

 

[Noname Given]

Didn't Nomad kill 4 billion people in the Malurian system and the Giant Space Amoeba™ killed billions in Gamma 7a system. Genocide is pretty dark.

Don't forget the Doomsday Machice and all the Star Systems it blasted to rubble...

Kirk: "There is no fourth planet!"
Dekker: "Don't you think I know that? THERE WAS! BUT NOT ANYMORE!"

 

[Nerys Myk]

Don't forget the Doomsday Machice and all the Star Systems it blasted to rubble...

Kirk: "There is no fourth planet!"
Dekker: "Don't you think I know that? THERE WAS! BUT NOT ANYMORE!"

TOS is too dark! Won't someone think of the children!!!!!!!

 

[Jayson1]

TOS is too dark! Won't someone think of the children!!!!!!!

Maybe that episode is to dark. Just let them watch "And The Children Shall Lead" and things would be okay.

Jason

 

[Nerys Myk]

Maybe that episode is to dark. Just let them watch "And The Children Shall Lead" and things would be okay.

Jason

The one where all the parents die and the kids are corrupted by an evil angel? Yeah, that's a good one for kids.

 

[Mr. Nova]

I agree to a degree. But CBS isn't in this for "Gene's Vision" or any other non-sense that fans put forth. They are in it to make money, and, right now, dark-and-gritty makes money. We'll have to wait another month and see how well dark-and-gritty* works within Star Trek.

*But then, I always found TOS (my favorite series) dark-and-gritty within the context of the times it was made. It routinely dealt with huge death tolls, sexual assault and other human shortcomings. With the oddity of laughter after people dying in brutal ways.

You nailed it. I was 10 years old when Star Trek first came on and some of the episodes downright terrified me. In the context of TV in 1966 "Balance of Terror" and "The Corbanite Maneuver" were as frightening as the best episodes of "The Twilight Zone". Television simply was not that "dark and gritty" in the '60s.

 

[cooleddie74]

And let's not forget that even though we didn't see the changed timeline McCoy accidentally created in "The City on the Edge of Forever" one doesn't have to work very hard to picture an Earth where Hitler used the A-bomb and intercontinental rockets to win World War II and the global darkness and tyranny that soon followed. Hundreds of millions if not billions could have died during the three centuries of evil that followed Edith Keeler's successful efforts to keep the United States out of the war.

Spock's line to Kirk next to the staircase remains one of the most chillingly effective lines of dialogue ever delivered in the Star Trek franchise. "Save her. Do as your heart tells you to do. And millions will die who did not die before."

Pretty dark stuff for '60s television.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Not sure where people get the idea that Star Trek is some happy skip through a world of lollipop trees and moons made of cheese.

 

[Albinator]

Not sure people get the idea that Star Trek is some happy skip through a world of lollipop trees and moons made of cheese.

I don't think anyone thought that, but whether it was tone or presentation, Trek has always managed to tell serious and/or dramatic stories that most parents were still comfortable letting their 6-12 year olds watch with them.

While personally I have no issue with a TV-MA (because my kids are adults now), it is a shame that younger parents won't be able to sit and watch Discovery with their children.

 

[fireproof78]

I don't think anyone thought that, but whether it was tone or presentation, Trek has always managed to tell serious and/or dramatic stories that most parents were still comfortable letting their 6-12 year olds watch with them.

While personally I have no issue with a TV-MA (because my kids are adults now), it is a shame that younger parents won't be able to sit and watch Discovery with their children.

I know kids who watch GoT and Game of Thrones. It may not be common, but it probably isn't as uncommon as it was before.

It will really depend on presentation.