*sigh* I'll continue considering AoS canon even if Kevin Feige shows up at my house and starts beating me up.
This is true.
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*sigh* I'll continue considering AoS canon even if Kevin Feige shows up at my house and starts beating me up.
This is true.
The Westphal Universe circa 2016.
I love Lucy and Legends of Tomorrow live in a shared universe.
I love Lucy and Legends of Tomorrow live in a shared universe.
And now I'm finding places where the last episode is being talked about as being one of the best of the series and how great Jonathan Majors portrayal was.
Go figure...
With the multiverse now, there's two very easy paths to take: It was a divergent timeline from the moment Coulson survived or it's a divergent timeline from when they came back from the future.
That being said, my take is very straight forward. Agents of SHIELD is canon until someone actually says it isn't. It's noteworthy as little interest Feige has in closely adhering to the show, he's never said it doesn't count (just that he focuses on his own thing).
Indeed, there have been no overt contradictions. In fact, in Captain Marvel, Carol was revived after being near death by being infused with Kree blood, and the regenerative properties of Kree blood on humans was established on AoS and not the comics.
Season 5 ends simultaneously with "Infinity War". Season 6 + 7 take place in a universe where The Snap never happened. My personal canon until someone official says different is that it's a branch where Thor went for the head.
To be honest I'm perfectly happy with the idea that everything from those 1960's animated shows that were barely animated panels from the comics, through the Roger Corman "Fantastic Four" and up to M.O.D.O.K. all exist as part of the same multiverse.
It also means you can have, for example, Charlie Cox turn up as Matt Murdock in She-Hulk or Spider-Man without having to worry about what cam before. Hell, they might even put him in something that actually looks like Daredevil's costume instead of the crap he wore on Netflix.
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But then what happened to the season 1 to 5 characters if their story ends at season 5? I mean they still get kidnapped right because we see that in the final scene of season 5. Did they ever get back or are they stuck in the future?
The final scene of Season 5 is after they return from the future and stop Graviton. That fight happens just as Thanos is invading Earth.
OK, I tend to kind of at least keep the different mediums kind of separate in my mind unless they're directly connected.
I like the idea that we switch to a new timeline when they came back to the present after their trip to the future.
Were there any big contradictions between the way the Darkhold was portrayed in WandaVision and AoS? I know they do have some wiggle room with it being magic.
The Westphal Universe circa 2016.
I love Lucy and Legends of Tomorrow live in a shared universe.
and soap operas too
The man is thorough, I'll give him that.
Considering most of it was sitting in a room having a conversation with a guy, I think the finale of Loki was really good.
And I say that with zero comics knowledge and no idea who Kang is. He's the alien from The Simpsons or that Klingon fella.
And I say that with zero comics knowledge and no idea who Kang is. He's the alien from The Simpsons or that Klingon fella.
Hell, 80% of the entire series was two or three people in a room talking*. You don't need 'splosions and big CGI battles for good drama.
*I do wonder if we'll ever find out what the pre-COVID version of the show was like, though.
Didn't we have promotional photos of Loki in the 1970's and a theater showing JAWS? Unless I missed that part
Didn't we have promotional photos of Loki in the 1970's and a theater showing JAWS?
Wow; I remember the King Loki scenes but that had slipped my mind completely.
Given that they hadn't shot much before the shutdown I wonder if they kept anything from the first version?
Edit: Probably the DB Cooper scenes. In retrospect they seem out of place with the rest of the series, so maybe they stuck them in the Time Theater scene so they wouldn't go to waste.
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If you want to see an example of a great sci-fi movie that is almost nothing but 2 or 3 people talking, I highly recommend checking out Ex Machina. It's literally just 4 people,
well, technically 2 people and 2 androids
Ah there's two scenes from the trailers that weren't in the final show.
One shot with Loki next to a very Loki looking throne, and another of him back in Stark Tower (specifically he's standing next to a mirror that's in Stark's penthouse). New Rockstars theorized they may have been visions of what Loki could have gotten if he sided with He Who Remains. The throne one being where he became King of a Asgard, and the Avengers tower being where he won that battle.
But it's all speculation.
One shot with Loki next to a very Loki looking throne, and another of him back in Stark Tower (specifically he's standing next to a mirror that's in Stark's penthouse). New Rockstars theorized they may have been visions of what Loki could have gotten if he sided with He Who Remains. The throne one being where he became King of a Asgard, and the Avengers tower being where he won that battle.
But it's all speculation.
So I want to take a second to dwell on He-Who-Remains. Let's just call him HWR for short. He's Kang. But he's not KANG. He's the low calorie Kang Zero Sugar. Sure, he's a narcissistic tyrant who commits multiversal genocide, but wait until you meet his variants. Because they are somehow even worse.
He's the King of Everything. He can, through his seeming omniscience, manipulate the very fabric of time and space in such a way that he is effectively the ultimate power in creation. Not even Infinity Stones can hinder or influence him, or the TVA, which he created to carry out his bidding. And the only thing in the potentially infinite multiverse that he fears, or that can threaten his power, or his grip on reality, is himself.
Which is why the TVA even exists. It is it's sole purpose and mission statement. Prevent any change or deviation in time that would result in a divergent, variant Kang. Changes in the timeline, branches and variations, are totally fine, so long as they don't result in another Kang. Classic Loki was left to his own devices so long as he remained in isolation and exile, maintaining the effect of his "death" if not it's fact, and was only pruned when he grew lonely and attempted to rejoin the universe. His very long life didn't create enough ripples in time to draw the TVA's notice.
Anything that is erased by a cataclysm, or which self corrects over the long run and restores the ultimate status quo is perfectly acceptable. Hence the Avengers in Endgame, left to their machinations, because their actions don't ultimately create enough of a divergence in the path of "The Sacred Timeline." That is to say, they don't alter history significantly enough to create a rival Kang.
But a LOT of Lokis have been pruned. There is a whole army of feuding Lokis at the end of time, survivors all, who were pruned as dangerous variants. Even in a system as ordered as the TVA's, Loki is a bug in the system. God of Mischief, indeed. Loki, or rather all the Lokis, are practically branch generators. Their actions, the difficult to predict mayhem and even their flexible and often changeable moral compasses make them the ideal candidates to break out of the rigid system HWR has created.
If HWR is the ultimate God of Order, then Loki is his nemesis. A god of chaos.
He's the King of Everything. He can, through his seeming omniscience, manipulate the very fabric of time and space in such a way that he is effectively the ultimate power in creation. Not even Infinity Stones can hinder or influence him, or the TVA, which he created to carry out his bidding. And the only thing in the potentially infinite multiverse that he fears, or that can threaten his power, or his grip on reality, is himself.
Which is why the TVA even exists. It is it's sole purpose and mission statement. Prevent any change or deviation in time that would result in a divergent, variant Kang. Changes in the timeline, branches and variations, are totally fine, so long as they don't result in another Kang. Classic Loki was left to his own devices so long as he remained in isolation and exile, maintaining the effect of his "death" if not it's fact, and was only pruned when he grew lonely and attempted to rejoin the universe. His very long life didn't create enough ripples in time to draw the TVA's notice.
Anything that is erased by a cataclysm, or which self corrects over the long run and restores the ultimate status quo is perfectly acceptable. Hence the Avengers in Endgame, left to their machinations, because their actions don't ultimately create enough of a divergence in the path of "The Sacred Timeline." That is to say, they don't alter history significantly enough to create a rival Kang.
But a LOT of Lokis have been pruned. There is a whole army of feuding Lokis at the end of time, survivors all, who were pruned as dangerous variants. Even in a system as ordered as the TVA's, Loki is a bug in the system. God of Mischief, indeed. Loki, or rather all the Lokis, are practically branch generators. Their actions, the difficult to predict mayhem and even their flexible and often changeable moral compasses make them the ideal candidates to break out of the rigid system HWR has created.
If HWR is the ultimate God of Order, then Loki is his nemesis. A god of chaos.
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