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Spoilers Loki season one discussion thread

Tarek71 said:
There are still a bunch of characters we have not seen. Black Knight, X Men, Alpha Flight, Fantastic Four, Hercules, Spider Woman, Namor, and many, many others. Some were part of the Secret Wars, and I think they need to get them introduced and into the mix before any Secret Wars story can happen.

And most of the villains of Secret Wars haven't even been introduced to the MCU yet. Molecule Man, Absorbing Man, Doctor Doom, Doc Ock, Wrecking Crew, etc. I think Ultron and now Kang are the only ones we have seen yet. So I think Multiverse/Madness arc first, and then maybe the Secret Wars after that.
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Black Knight is being introduced in The Eternals, or at least Dane Whitman will, none of the promotional stuff has called him The Black Knight. Absorbing Man was a recurring character on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
Tarek71 said:
Yes. I agree. Plus or minus Bulldozer is not a deal breaker. But right now, the MCU has no X-Men, Doctor Doom, Galactus, Fantastic Four, Molecule Man, Absorbing Man, etc do they? That seems like a few too many absences.
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The Nth Doctor said:
They kept Majors' role from this show quiet so it wouldn't be a stretch for the same to happen again for Multiverse of Madness.
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It hadn't occured to me before that Kang could show up in Multiverse, but after the way the ending we got here, I would be shocked if Kang, or another variant using a different name, doesn't show up at some point. It would be a bit strange to have a character who's whole story is based around the multiverse, and not have him show up in a movie that appears to be focused on the multiverse.
 
Tarek71 said:
And most of the villains of Secret Wars haven't even been introduced to the MCU yet. Molecule Man, Absorbing Man, Doctor Doom, Doc Ock, Wrecking Crew, etc. I think Ultron and now Kang are the only ones we have seen yet. So I think Multiverse/Madness arc first, and then maybe the Secret Wars after that.
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Absorbing Man was introduced in Agents of SHIELD...but then (spoilers) killed, so I suppose that's not helpful.
 
Tarek71 said:
Well, Kang/Immortus should be regarded as a somewhat unreliable narrator. And I still suspect that this only pertains to Earth 199999 and the other live action iterations. I don't think Earth-616 is part of this. I am sure Marvel is not trying to say that Earth 616 was ever "pruned" and just now sprung back into existence. The MCU is one branch in the tree, and it and the timelines branching from it are what is at stake I believe. In any case, there could be more to this than what he told Loki and Syvie. I am sure there is.
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Earth-199999 is just the name the comics use, I don't think the movies will follow it.

IMO the movies will probably call the main MCU timeline Earth-616.
 
There have already been several Easter eggs calling the MCU 616, most recently in Loki were the film of Loki's life is labeled ETH-616.
 
JD said:
It hadn't occured to me before that Kang could show up in Multiverse, but after the way the ending we got here, I would be shocked if Kang, or another variant using a different name, doesn't show up at some point. It would be a bit strange to have a character who's whole story is based around the multiverse, and not have him show up in a movie that appears to be focused on the multiverse.
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Possibly the end credit scenes will focus on Kang. And with hints dropped from other characters.

Something like that one Riker from Parralels, coming from a universe where the Borg had nearly wiped out the Federation. Something like a variant of Spider-Man showing up in the new Spidey movie, dying, muttering something about how The Conquerer is coming. Stuff like that.
 
dupersuper said:
Absorbing Man was introduced in Agents of SHIELD...but then (spoilers) killed, so I suppose that's not helpful.
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We didn’t see Absorbing Man killed, we saw his variant from the timelines where an alien invasion force came to Earth instead of Thanos killed.

No invasion force, no gravitonium infused monster, no death.
 
Tuskin38 said:
Earth-199999 is just the name the comics use, I don't think the movies will follow it.

IMO the movies will probably call the main MCU timeline Earth-616.
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Right. You could have two different timelines where people in it refer to themselves and their timeline as "616", although that has always been odd. Wouldnt you call your own timeline "1" or "0001"? No matter which one you live in, it will always seem to you that you live in the "Prime" timeline, and everything else is a variant.

In any case, I mean that I don't think Marvel regards comic 616 has ever having been "pruned" by events in 199999/MCU/Other616. Nor that it just now sprang back into existence. Comics timeline appears unaffected by these events. As you can see from the scans, MCU is the prime branch, and other timelines are branching off from it. But comics 616 did not branch off from 199999. It is elsewhere on the tree, if you will. Or 199999 itself branched off from comics 616.

They are certainly two very different timelines and therefore some way to distinguish them from each other seems useful, no matter how they internally refer to themselves. So I use Marvels own system, even if it's a bit odd.

dupersuper said:
Absorbing Man was introduced in Agents of SHIELD...but then (spoilers) killed, so I suppose that's not helpful.
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Well, there is also the added issue of whether events depicted in pre-Wandavision shows will be fully adhered to going forward with the MCU. Clearly some events from them are. But others may not be. Although with the Multiverse/Madness story arc, one assumes variants could still appear in any case.
 
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JirinPanthosa said:
We didn’t see Absorbing Man killed, we saw his variant from the timelines where an alien invasion force came to Earth instead of Thanos killed.

No invasion force, no gravitonium infused monster, no death.
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Oh, good call there. Which means Agents of SHIELD is one of the new branching alternate universes. We only just happened to see it play out before the branching actually happens. That would also explain why Mobius didn't say anything about Coulson still being alive.

Obviously, none of that needed to be explained but it's cool how that fits nicely in place, even if that wasn't the intention of the writers.
 
The Nth Doctor said:
Oh, good call there. Which means Agents of SHIELD is one of the new branching alternate universes. We only just happened to see it play out before the branching actually happens. That would also explain why Mobius didn't say anything about Coulson still being alive.

Obviously, none of that needed to be explained but it's cool how that fits nicely in place, even if that wasn't the intention of the writers.
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It’s at least three of the branching universes. Including the season 5-verse and the season 7-verse.
 
So can we assume that all the timelines that were pruned have branched out again?
 
Saul said:
So can we assume that all the timelines that were pruned have branched out again?
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Not sure what they mean by it. The only thing we see, and it's shown a lot, is a stream that is purportedly the "sacred timeline" and then things branching off from it. So I would say that the main artery there is the MCU/Earth199999 or whatever you want to call it. But He Who Remains or whatever his name is, said a variant of him found universes stacked on top of each other.

Does that mean separate branches of the timeline that had a common origin, or entirely separate universes?



Seems like we are only talking about whatever is branching out from "9" in this schematic. Our universe is not touched by these events, and Comics Earth 616 is likewise unaffected.
 
Tarek71 said:
Right. You could have two different timelines where people in it refer to themselves and their timeline as "616", although that has always been odd. Wouldnt you call your own timeline "1" or "0001"? No matter which one you live in, it will always seem to you that you live in the "Prime" timeline, and everything else is a variant.

In any case, I mean that I don't think Marvel regards comic 616 has ever having been "pruned" by events in 199999/MCU/Other616. Nor that it just now sprang back into existence. Comics timeline appears unaffected by these events. As you can see from the scans, MCU is the prime branch, and other timelines are branching off from it. But comics 616 did not branch off from 199999. It is elsewhere on the tree, if you will. Or 199999 itself branched off from comics 616.

They are certainly two very different timelines and therefore some way to distinguish them from each other seems useful, no matter how they internally refer to themselves. So I use Marvels own system, even if it's a bit odd.



Well, there is also the added issue of whether events depicted in pre-Wandavision shows will be fully adhered to going forward with the MCU. Clearly some events from them are. But others may not be. Although with the Multiverse/Madness story arc, one assumes variants could still appear in any case.
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Have we gotten any indication anywhere that the comics and the MCU are connected? Usually most of these kinds of shows/movie seem to be completely separate from the comics.

If your interested in the comics' version of Alioth, Marvel.com has posted a Who is Alioth? article covering his comics history.
They've also posted one for Throg too, although that was because he popped up on a new comic book cover, not because of his Loki cameo.
 
Reverend said:
Sooo...Frog Thor and the Philadelphia Experiment? OK. I'm into it.
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I had cable/internet problems starting 2 weeks ago and just got it back the other day and had time to watch the two Loki episodes this afternoon.

Really liked them and look forward to where it could go from here, liked Kang here in the final episode. But elements of the finale and end just sort of left me with a shrug, the show started off with a lot more promise and "fun" than where it ended up going.

But, yeah, the Philadelphia Experiment thing I applauded for. Not as hard as I did for the D.B. Cooper thing (since D.B. Cooper actually happened) but it was just another fun moment. Now, was the Eldridge "pruned" by the TVA or did it get sent here by the Philadelphia Experiment?
 
JD said:
Have we gotten any indication anywhere that the comics and the MCU are connected? Usually most of these kinds of shows/movie seem to be completely separate from the comics.

If your interested in the comics' version of Alioth, Marvel.com has posted a Who is Alioth? article covering his comics history.
They've also posted one for Throg too, although that was because he popped up on a new comic book cover, not because of his Loki cameo.
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I assume that the "Multiverse" that includes Earth 616 (comics) is potentially reachable from Earth 199999. They could have a crossover if they wanted. But that they are not connected so far and events in one do not have a direct effect on the other. Whatever "multiverse" is being discussed here in Loki is most likely a tiny branch and the sub branches that diverge from it, and not what is likely to be the unimaginably larger and complex trees of all realities, universes and timelines.

That would include the Star Trek universe, Doctor Who, Star Wars, as well as our own universe.
 
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