The inferior Vulcan subrace cannot hope to match the engineering genius of the Klingons.
*uses bat'leth to bang console*
"Work, damn you!"
*uses bat'leth to bang console*
"Work, damn you!"
"Logic extremists"
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Better said than mine attempt. Exactly.
And Spock at times could be a minor dick.
That would be T'Pau, T'Pring, Stonn and fake Surak. Plus a few background extras.
It think the 'stronger emotions that humans' is bullshit. Sure, they were emotional and violent in the past, and almost ended up destroying themselves; and so did humans! What modern Vulcans consider dangerously emotional is just what humans and most other humanoids normally are. There is no indication that the Romulans who rejected the repression of emotions are any more emotional or unstable than humans are.
Furthermore, I think this 'Vulcans totally have emotions, they're just repressing them' has been interpreted too shallowly by many fans and some writers. It is not that Vulcans are constantly feeling strong emotions and just have self discipline to not act on them, it has to be something deeper than that, or at least it originally was meant to be. Spock was an outlier, an overly emotional half blood, and even he said several time he doesn't have emotions, and expressed some difficulty understanding emotions of others. Xon who was intended to be an embodiment of a pure Vulcan, was even more emotionless, much of that character eventually became Data in TNG.
Soval seemed like a jerk though he redeemed himself later. Koss was a decent Vulcan, also.
Whilst I really liked the plot about Sarek's choice, and that required a racist Vulcan authority figure, I could have really done without the Vulcan terrorists.
It is not that there cannot be evil Vulcans, but I feel that 'Vulcans are racist dicks' has been overused to the degree that it is starting to become the defining feature of the entire culture. And having a faction of Vulcans that are murderously racist dicks really doesn't help matters. And regardless, 'logic extremists' is a stupid name.
It is not that there cannot be evil Vulcans, but I feel that 'Vulcans are racist dicks' has been overused to the degree that it is starting to become the defining feature of the entire culture. And having a faction of Vulcans that are murderously racist dicks really doesn't help matters. And regardless, 'logic extremists' is a stupid name.
Inconsistency in Star Trek?
THE Q YOU SAY!
THE Q YOU SAY!
Vulcan isolationists willing to murder to purge Vulcan of alien influence was featured in TNG - Gambit, so it's not unprecedented. They could be a successor of the Logic Extremist movement.
I know. But it was a choice to bring that sort of element in this story, in this show. It is not about canon or plausibility or stuff like that, it is about what the overall depiction of the Vulcans will be. We have seen a lot of dick Vulcans, I'd like to see the nice side of the Vulcans for a change.
The second Vulcan we meet on-screen decides that, rather than admit she has an emotional reason to cancel the betrothal, she will very logically make her fiancee fight his best friend to the death so that no matter who wins neither will want to marry her and will be the one to break things off. Going from that to a bit of murder because your chain of logic says the intended victim is a threat to Vulcan society isn't a large leap.
Kids are cruel, but they aren’t inventive. If they were taunting Spock, it’s because their parents or the larger culture taught that humans were inferior, and the only part of them that isn’t fully-formed is the part that recognizes not to say it to their face in so many words (though several adult Vulcans do, in fact, have no problem saying it to Spock’s, or Michael’s, or Sisko’s respective faces).
I think Michael and Sarek is supposed to represent that. Michael being a Vulcan not human being sort of the point of her arc. What she was born as isn't important.
I want to see Carol Decker play T'Pau if she ever shows up on the show. Kidding, but also... not kidding. 
Also, his throwing of the LLAP just before he exploded may have been sarcastic - he really intended for Sarek to neither live long nor to prosper, obviously, and was mocking Sarek's beliefs.
I've always assumed that a certain stoicism was a common characteristic of Vulcans in general. And that, before it was tempered by c'thia, that was actually part of why their society was endangered at the time of Surak: someone who readily expresses their emotions can vent, and that may be momentarily destructive, but overall, it's more healthy. Someone who has strong emotions and who gets very angry, but remains stoic and sort of calm in their anger, may go build up an arsenal and make VERY destructive plans.
In the novels, there was a group called the Adepts of T'Pel, and if I recall correctly, they were so secretive that they preferred to perform their assassinations in a way that left a doubt as to whether or not they even really existed. Perhaps the portion of them that remains on Vulcan has been co-opted by the Logic Extremists. And if they ARE involved, it could be a sort of connection-but-not-exactly to the Romulans, since some of T'Pel's adherents were involved in the Sundering.
Also, his throwing of the LLAP just before he exploded may have been sarcastic - he really intended for Sarek to neither live long nor to prosper, obviously, and was mocking Sarek's beliefs.
Was that when he suffered brain damage? I thought he was rather goofy and playful, pretty good cook too. He had enough self-awareness that he was going to miss Neelix when he returned to normal.
I forgot about that one. You're right. I was referring to this one:
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