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"Logic extremists"
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So what is the real plan of the logical extremists (can we just call them "The Logicians"?) Surely the guy knew his attempt of Sarek's life would fail, that's why he gave him time to put up the forcefield, and took the time to reveal his sinister plans.
By using pure Vulcan logic, I have deduced that the Logicians wanted to send a clear message that would reach the Vulcan government. So they selected Sarek for a dramatic introduction.
We are left with other question, though. The suicide bomber was, at the same time, giving Sarek disinformation about their so called "plans" to have the Klingons win the war, and Vulcan leave the Federation.
What is the real endgame here?
Predictions?
By using pure Vulcan logic, I have deduced that the Logicians wanted to send a clear message that would reach the Vulcan government. So they selected Sarek for a dramatic introduction.
We are left with other question, though. The suicide bomber was, at the same time, giving Sarek disinformation about their so called "plans" to have the Klingons win the war, and Vulcan leave the Federation.
What is the real endgame here?
Predictions?
It sounds like an escalation of hostilities that the Vulcan leadership would object to with the Federation. We've already seen the Vulcan attitude towards the Klingons in general, so logicially, it could be extrapolated that they expected violence and could continue to try and preserve Vulcan from Federation influence.
As with all logical arguments, the premises need to be true.
Of course they do. Remember John Harrison’s attacks?
Of course Into Darkness isn’t part of Prime universe but neither is Discovery.
I guess the Maquis are terrorists too
She's been living in a fantasy.
This might be true, and it still be a minority thing for Vulcans: *revering* things is not logical.
Or, you know, he could have just shot Sarek, disposed of the body in deep space, and gone back claiming that the Klingons killed him. Gets rid of Sarek, maintains the war (with a new martyr for those that would illogically care about martyrs), and homeboy gets to LIVE to act further on behalf of his group.
He really was a raging moron.
Vulcans are telepaths, at least in the TOS era. It might be more logical to explode himself in a questionable manner than to return with a false story and potentially expose his group as the culprits under mental interrogation.
I think T'Pau's voice in Enterprise is translated and her voice in TOS is real with her Vulcan accent. Or, alternatively, they're both translated, but the UT has been upgraded to account for her natural thick regional accent seperate from Spock's region of the planet.
The subjucation of the Vulcan people by the Klingons or perhaps the Klingons will just give the Vulcans a Vulcan Hello and carpet bomb Vulcan.
I doubt they have though much beyond their end goal, i.e what next.
Weren't there some nasty anti-alien, human supremacists on ENTERPRISE in its final season?
Yeah Terra Prime
But that’s in the wrong century. It’s in the 22nd century. Apparently Vulcans still have terrorists in the 23rd century.
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They are slowly backing away from Star Trek's radically progressive ethics, with each adaptation, aren't they?
Where once Earth was basically crime free by the 24th century, with the implication being that centuries of social programmes had eliminated the roots of violence and poverty almost entirely.... Where Kirk talked of crime as being merely a social disease to be treated and no longer resented or punished for the gratification of the victim... Where once Vulcan was held to be a society bred to pacifism, which had abandoned passion and prejudice through reason after realising it would destroy them... Where once the ethical position, was, quite rightly, that crime/violence can and should be eliminated, and is not 'inevitable'...
...slowly we now come toward today's public perception of crime/violence being inalienable from society.
This is all despite some pretty substantial evidence from the scientific community that this is not in fact the case, and the roots of violence are slowly dying out, with less and less casualties in war and crime with every passing year. Where Star Trek may have been at it's most prophetic when it believed wholesale in the elimination of social problems by the 24th century, each new adaptation seems, to me at least, to think of that view as being an archaic relic, despite the fact that it seems to be genuinely attested to by scholarship, and another example of foresight.
Vulcans, held to have undergone a reasoned rejection of prejudice, now have 'extremist' suicide bombers.
With each new adaptation, it seems we go further and further toward exceptional examples of prejudiced admirals and corrupt captains, and we have less and less of the Trek's prophetic belief in the ultimate triumph of naturalism - it seems more and more of the 21st century's present cynicism determines what is thought of as realistic - the war on terror, the race and crime problems in the United States, etc.
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Art is always a reflection of the times and culture in which it is developed. This is neither shocking, nor, in my opinion, unwelcome. TOS attempted to deal with some smaller "countercultural" elements in the Federation, as did DS9 but they didn't always come across very well.
TOS was about planned societies and managing problems, not the wholesale elimination of them. I would expect DISCO to have more than a few growing pains in Federation society as well.
One could imagine that mental illness, something the Vulcans remain susceptible to, would lead to all kinds of declarations and ideologies that don't make sense.
Vulcan Department of Illogical Biped Locomotion?
I do think the term "logic extremist" sounds rather stupid. Extremism is the antithesis of logic and rationality.
Maybe "logic fundamentalist" or "fundamentalist logician" would make more sense. I think it would have sounded better to use some Vulcan word in the term, such as "T'lahranthi extremist." (I just made that up).
Kor
Maybe "logic fundamentalist" or "fundamentalist logician" would make more sense. I think it would have sounded better to use some Vulcan word in the term, such as "T'lahranthi extremist." (I just made that up).
Kor
"Balanced extremist" would be more... illogical.
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