List of episodes in which Our Heroes lose?

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  1. CorporalCaptain

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    I checked everything I said within the episodes themselves before posting, and the time period under discussion has nothing to do with Discovery. I didn't write the Memory Alpha article. If you have an issue with that article, take it up with them. I used the article only as a reference to remind me which episodes might be mentioning which periods of time.
     
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  2. johnnybear

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    Oh sorry, Corp! I just saw it and instantly ran before I could walk! Please accept my apologies! As for Memory Alpha, would they take any notice if I did? :shrug:
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  3. CorporalCaptain

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    No sweat. As for your question, I can't say what the people there are like now. I no longer participate in either discussion or the editing of articles there. Whatever they post there has no authority per se, but it is generally extremely useful to get going on which episodes reference what.
     
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  4. Lord Garth

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    Just seeing this now. In TSFS, after Kruge watches the presentation about Genesis he tells Maltz, "Share this with no one." "Even as our emissaries negotiate peace with the Federation, we will seize the secret of this weapon, the secret of ultimate power." Then, in TVH, the Klingon Ambassador says, "Even as the Federation was negotiating a Peace Treaty with us, Kirk was secretly developing the Genesis Torpedo, conceived by Kirk's son, and test-detonated by the Admiral himself." At the end of the scene he famously storms out saying, "Remember this well! There shall be no peace as long as Kirk lives!"

    If the Federation and Klingons were trying to negotiate a Peace Treaty just before TSFS, then it must've been for a reason. Conflict must've broken out beforehand.

    I personally think this is a parallel to the breaking of Detente between the United States and the Soviet Union after 1979 and into the '80s.
     
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  5. Makarov

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    Clues - TNG

    The aliens successfully mindwipe the crew and are left free to blow up any future ships that come across them
     
  6. CorporalCaptain

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    Right, good catch. Thanks!
     
  7. johnnybear

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    Klingon raids on Federation installations and planets would be the obvious answer to that!
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  8. MAGolding

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    My post # 34 in this thread ends with this summary:

    Lord Garth, in post # 44 makes a case that the Federation and the Klingons were at war, though negotiating for peace, in Star Trek III: The Search For Spock and in Star trek IV: The Voyage Home. But it seems certain that the Federation and the Klingons were at peace in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier since General Koord was able to order Captain Klaa NOT to kill Captain Kirk. It would be highly unusual for a Klingon general to order a subordinate officer to not kill a Federation officer during a time of war, or for Starfleet and Klingon officers to mingle at a party during a state of war.

    Therefore my theory is that the Federation and the Klingons were in a state of peace, but cold war and high tensions, during the movies from WOK to TFF, and that there were negotiations for a different peace treaty going on at the time.

    But even so the evidence that there was a big war between the Federation and the Klingons before TUC indicates that the Organians kept the peace between the Federation and the Klingons for only a few decades. Either the Organians stopped keeping the peace during that interval, or else the Federation and the Klingons learned how to fight without going near enough to Organia to be noticed by the Organians.
     
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  9. CommanderTrip

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    a lot of season finales/cliff hangers might fit this description. One episode that came to mind was ENT "Azati Prime"

    The episode ends with Captain Archer, captured and bloodied by the enemy after a botched bombing run, being transferred to a detention facility for more questioning while his ship is being blown apart by Xindi attack ships.

    Our heroes were losing pretty hard in that episode.
     
  10. CorporalCaptain

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    Doesn't "Azati Prime" count as part of a "longer arc" of the kind proscribed by the OP? The story continues in the very next episode, "Damage."
     
  11. ItIsGreen

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    "Q Who" - Picard cockily tells Q the Enterprise crew (or by extension, humanity) are ready for anything the galaxy can throw at them and Q responds by sending them straight into the path of a Borg cube. This results in the deaths of 18 crew members, and the ship is only saved by Picard swallowing his pride and appealing to Q's vanity.

    It can be argued that Q was doing them a favour by wising them up to the Borg, but taking the events of the episode by themselves I would definitely chalk it up as a loss for our heroes.

    "Yesterday's Enterprise" - The Enterprise-C crew loses, Tasha, Riiker and Wesley lose and ultimately the entire 'Klingon War' timeline loses when their reality is erased from existence.
     
  12. Deks

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    ST: VOY 'Prey'.
    Voyager tried to release the harmed 8472 back into Fluidic space, but because the ship was surrounded by Hirogen hunting ships, it was outmanned and outgunned, resulting in Seven to beam the 8472 back to the Hirogen to save the ship.

    Technically, a loss, because if they were successful, that 8472 member would have told the others what happened, and a potential peace or lines of communications could have been established (although granted, they were able to do that in ST Voy 'In the Flesh' - but still).
     
  13. JirinPanthosa

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    I'm surprised nobody has snarkily brought up Justice yet.

    In Move Along Home, the protagonists literally lose a game. And of course, Caretaker, protagonists fail to get home. And the most obvious one, Course: Oblivion.

    Sins of the Father, Worf takes the blame for a crime his father did not commit to protect a corrupt Empire. Dear Doctor, genocide by inaction is committed, leading to the establishment of the terrible doctrine that preventing apocalypses is bad because one of the aliens saved might become the next Hitler. Homeward, all but a few dozen of a race are destroyed as a result of said doctrine.

    In third season of Enterprise, Earth is destroyed in every timeline except one. Do you think all those timelines were averted or just avoided?

    Also I can't remember the name of the episode where Eddington wins.

    There's also a long list of episodes where the ship they came to rescued gets destroyed and the only 'victory' is narrowly escaping getting destroyed too.
     
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  14. GNDN18

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