Let's talk about the elephant in the room, this series violates Roddenberry's vision big time

[Charles Phipps]

Burnham is a mutineer. She nerve pinched her Captain and tried to start a war. Oh she did.

Correction, she tried to PREVENT a war because the Klingons only deal with fellow warriors with respect. It's just she missed the fact it was impossible to avert. T'Kuvma wasn't testing the waters, he was there to invade.

BE THAT AS IT MAY:

She ruined their chance of ending the war before it began by executing T'Kuvma, though.

She basically made the wrong choice from Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 and made Cordis Dei a real religion.

 

[Albinator]

Burnham is a mutineer. She nerve pinched her Captain and tried to start a war. Oh she did.

Did you not understand the lesson of this week's episode?

CONTEXT IS FOR KINGS.

Yes, she's a mutineer. But her intention was to save the ship and stop a war. Context and intent matter. You may still disagree with her actions, and see her as a villain-- as the crew of Discovery does. Or, like me, you could see her as someone with the heart of a hero, as Lorca does.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I think that she sounded at least a little "Roddenberry-esque" when she confronted Lorca at the end of the last episode. Just a little, though.

This is only the beginning of the story and her arc too.

 

[skip bittman]

Yeah, ol' Gene padded his resume more than a bit but the pendulum has swung back a BIT too far in the opposite direction in recent years. Some of the bile on this thread sounds like he ran over someone's dog instead of coming up with a fun concept that spawned hundreds of hours of entertainment and brought a lot of comfort and bad Shatner impressions to millions of people.

 

[Refuge]

If Burnham is the yardstick for heroics then standards improved.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Yeah, ol' Gene padded his resume more than a bit but the pendulum has swung back a BIT too far in the opposite direction in recent years. Some of the bile on this thread sounds like he ran over someone's dog instead of coming up with a fun concept that spawned hundreds of hours of entertainment and brought a lot of comfort and bad Shatner impressions to millions of people.

It's the Bob Kane/Bill Finger controversy.

Roddenberry created something amazing and I'm glad he did but he was hell to work for and fans are a lot more aware of how much craziness was going on behind the scenes.

But yes, thanks to the man and his vision while congratulating his collaborators too.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Burnham is a mutineer. She nerve pinched her Captain and tried to start a war. Oh she did.

Yes. we all saw the episodes

 

[Longinus]

I think that she sounded at least a little "Roddenberry-esque" when she confronted Lorca at the end of the last episode. Just a little, though.

Yeah, that I liked.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

This is only the beginning of the story and her arc too.

That makes her a very Fuller-esque heroine, having her life shaken and being forced to relearn how to trust the world.

 

[Nerys Myk]

If Burnham is the yardstick for heroics then standards improved.

Horrible people can do heroic things. It's what they do in that moment that makes them a hero. What they do before that or even after doesn't change that moment.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Horrible people can do heroic things. It's what they do in that moment that makes them a hero. What they do before that or even after doesn't change that moment.

Honestly, in a court of law, I'd say temporary insanity had a good grounds for defense. After all, she had a past trauma with Klingons, was almost killed by them, was suffering radiation poisoning, and was panicking.

 

[Refuge]

Horrible people can do heroic things. It's what they do in that moment that makes them a hero. What they do before that or even after doesn't change that moment.

I guess that makes Roddenberry a hero, too He had a good moment, he gave us Star Trek.. apparently just a little bit of it, hardly worth mentioning.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Honestly, in a court of law, I'd say temporary insanity had a good grounds for defense. After all, she had a past trauma with Klingons, was almost by them, was suffering radiation poisoning, and was panicking.

I've feeling a that point she just didn't care. She wanted to be punished. I'm reminded of Spock's line in "Amok Time"

SPOCK: Doctor, please, let me finish. There can be no excuse for the crime of which I'm guilty. I intend to offer no defence.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Honestly, in a court of law, I'd say temporary insanity had a good grounds for defense. After all, she had a past trauma with Klingons, was almost by them, was suffering radiation poisoning, and was panicking.

Yeah, she was actually using the best course of action she could see and based on accurate information. Normally attacking a Klingon vessel would lead to the response the Vulcans got. She had no way of knowing they were actively seeking war.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Yeah, she was actually using the best course of action she could see and based on accurate information. Normally attacking a Klingon vessel would lead to the response the Vulcans got. She had no way of knowing they were actively seeking war.

Eh, I do think the higher ups were correct too. The Vulcan's ruthless pragmatism (circa Enterprise) got the Klingons talking but the only reason T'Kuvma is going after them instead of, say, Random Planet of Hats 77# is the Federation IS big enough/tough enough to fight.

I also think the reason she got life in prison wasn't the mutiny but the murder.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I guess that makes Roddenberry a hero, too He had a good moment, he gave us Star Trek.. apparently just a little bit of it, hardly worth mentioning.

In fact it does. Not necessarily for creating Star Trek, but for other things he did in life. As a pilot in WWII, a police officer and as a member of the flight crew of Pan Am Flight 121.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Eh, I do think the higher ups were correct too. The Vulcan's ruthless pragmatism (circa Enterprise) got the Klingons talking but the only reason T'Kuvma is going after them instead of, say, Random Planet of Hats 77# is the Federation IS big enough/tough enough to fight.

I also think the reason she got life in prison wasn't the mutiny but the murder.

It seems like he wants to prove himself to the Empire and how great he is for defeating the Federation.

 

[Ovation]

Whomever wrote and directed Forbidden Planet.

William Shakespeare.

 

[Charles Phipps]

It seems like he wants to prove himself to the Empire and how great he is for defeating the Federation.

A lot of this resembles historically how Genghis Khan handled things. Always had a bigger enemy to take down.

 

[Nerys Myk]

William Shakespeare.

My favorite Science Fiction author.