To be frank, there was an independent Deep Space Nine--it was called Babylon Five and JMA claims they stole his submitted premise.
I don't know about that but I do know they they went in different directions.
Let's talk about the elephant in the room, this series violates Roddenberry's vision big time
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To be frank, there was an independent Deep Space Nine--it was called Babylon Five and JMA claims they stole his submitted premise.
I don't know about that but I do know they they went in different directions.
I've yet to.. in the three episodes.. identify a character that seems to be even slightly heroic. I get that heroes have flaws, but these guys are nothing like Kirk or Spock or other story book 'heroes'. They're all carrying around so much baggage it's amazing they can function.
I can appreciate "Gene's Vision." But the thought that it can't be Trek or can't be good if it doesn't stay consistent with what one fan or another thinks is "Gene's Vision" is just laughable, and thus leads me to dismiss his vision entirely.
His vision was evolving and frankly, all over the place. The man was not a god. He hated some of the best of Trek. He loved some of the worst of it. He may have created it, and for that we are all grateful, but he is not the be-all-end-all of what it became.
His vision was evolving and frankly, all over the place. The man was not a god. He hated some of the best of Trek. He loved some of the worst of it. He may have created it, and for that we are all grateful, but he is not the be-all-end-all of what it became.
Michael was willing to sacrifice her life by leading a monster away from the rest of he away team, the same people who resented her and wanted her gone as soon as possible. That’s pretty heroic.
Yeah
That's not so much the opinion I'm getting. It's like people want to weed Gene out of his achievement. Soon I'll be reading posts that he had nothing to do with TOS, lol.
What was your problem with Captain Georgio?
I thought that was her purpose, to illustrate the ideal Federation officer who Michael will have to live up to the memory of?
Story book heroes are the last thing I want to see. Kirk and Spock had flaws They made mistakes. Then they worked not to make them again. They were not storybook heroes
I'd call Burnham, a highly respected and career-minded First Officer-- on the verge of getting her own command-- willing to sacrifice everything to ensure the survival of her ship, crew, and potentially the entire Federation-- very much a hero.
At least, from a certain perspective.
And that is what make this show great: it's not black and white, it's got layers to it, it's got CONTEXT that needs to be considered when watching the story unfold.
Let Star Wars do the black and white stuff. The layers, the shades of grey, and thought-provoking questions we have to ask to judge our heroes and our villains is what makes this Star Trek so interesting.
I think the premise is also, "Michael did a bad thing she needs to make up for. She's otherwise pure Starfleet." It's just she's on the Section-31 Shady Ship of Shadiness.
Eh, I think Burnham's actions weren't heroic but ill-considered and the result of poorly treated childhood trauma. Great job, Sarek, there, really.
Her plan was never going to work and anyone would have realized that because they couldn't win a fight to begin with and they were spoiling for one.
However, she knows that and is trying to do better.
Yep, working for redemption isn't a bad thing
The actual evil thing she did was Dirty Harrying T'Kuvma and making him the Unforgettable 2.0.
I like that it's at least an unexpected creative choice. Something new.
Admitting you were wrong and working to improve yourself is extremely heroic and something everyone can stand to learn from. Michael could be seen as a role model.
While I agree, I also want characters that I like that I see something more in than just copying edgy characters from other shows. Right now, there really isn't anyone "likable" (outside of Saru, undecided on Tilly) in Discovery.
Obviously, everyone's mileage will vary. Right now, my mileage is pretty low where this show is concerned. I definitely hope it turns around, and I will give it every chance possible to do it.
Burnham is a mutineer. She nerve pinched her Captain and tried to start a war. Oh she did.
And that's why I said "from a certain perspective." I see her actions as heroic in nature. You don't. That's wonderful, to me.
And Spock went AWOL and took a ship to a planet so forbidden that you get the death penalty for going to in order to help his former captain have a better quality of life.
Come to thing of it, Sarek was a terrible father.
I think that she sounded at least a little "Roddenberry-esque" when she confronted Lorca at the end of the last episode. Just a little, though.
