Let's talk about the elephant in the room, this series violates Roddenberry's vision big time

[The Wormhole]

We could be here all day.

Here he is attending a burial outside a church.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Here he is attending a burial outside a church.

He personally rebukes Q for claiming to be God, which is on the borderline.

 

[Longinus]

Here he is attending a burial outside a church.

It's an atheist church. (Not kidding, and can't be bothered to explain it again.)

 

[The Wormhole]

It's an atheist church.

Those in attendance made the sign of the cross when they were done. I know of no atheists who do such a thing.

EDIT: Just spent a few minutes skimming the Wikipedia article on Atheist Churches. It's apparently been criticized as a money-grab, so I'll concede the point since it still makes Picard look delusional.

 

[Longinus]

Those in attendance made the sign of the cross when they were done. I know of no atheists who do such a thing.

It is a traditional Anglican sermon but all the references to God or supernatural are replaced with secular elements. it was intended to portray preservation of religious traditions without belief in supernatural. But this topic has been done to death.

 

[Charles Phipps]

It is a traditional Anglican sermon but all the references to God or supernatural are replaced with secular elements. it was intended to portray preservation of religious traditions without belief in supernatural. But this topic has been done to death.

My simple answer is Star Trek is Roddenberry's idea but many Star Trek writers were theists or uncomfortable with eliminating religion altogether.

Such as....drumroll....Bill Shatner and Leonard Nimoy.

So yes, Religion is GoneTM in Gene's Star Trek but not Bill's or Moyer.

 

[Longinus]

My simple answer is Star Trek is Roddenberry's idea but many Star Trek writers were theists or uncomfortable with eliminating religion altogether.

Such as....drumroll....Bill Shatner and Leonard Nimoy.

So yes, Religion is GoneTM in Gene's Star Trek but not Bill's or Moyer.

Yes, that is reason for generally inconsistent portrayal of it, but that specific episode probably was intended the way I said it was.

 

[The Wormhole]

My simple answer is Star Trek is Roddenberry's idea but many Star Trek writers were theists or uncomfortable with eliminating religion altogether.

Actually, a lot of reference to religion in Star Trek are in episodes written by confirmed atheists.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Actually, a lot of reference to religion in Star Trek are in episodes written by confirmed atheists.

Hence the second part of the statement. You can be an atheist but still think saying people will "outgrow it" is wrong. Take J. Michael Straczynski. It's part of the reason why I like Deep Space Nine as it tackles the secularism of the Federation vs. the deeply religious nature of the Bajorans and shows the conflicts which arise without vilifying or lauding either.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Yes, that is reason for generally inconsistent portrayal of it, but that specific episode probably was intended the way I said it was.

Thanks for the heads up on that. It's actually a very interesting fact.

 

[Kor]

How would these future atheist churches feel about love instructors, another innovative aspect of Gene's utopian vision?

Kor

 

[Longinus]

How would these future atheist churches feel about love instructors, another innovative aspect of Gene's utopian vision?

I'm sure they'd be fine with them.

 

[fireproof78]

How would these future atheist churches feel about love instructors, another innovative aspect of Gene's utopian vision?

Kor

You're looking for the church down the road.

 

[Vger23]

Oh AWESOME!!!!!!!!!1!1!1

Another thread turned into a "Is Star Trek / Picard / Roddenberry / Quark an Athiest" discussion!!! Oh be still, my beating heart. The intelligent, open-minded, unbiased debate knows no bounds. Truly a timeless gem.

 

[fireproof78]

Oh AWESOME!!!!!!!!!1!1!1

Another thread turned into a "Is Star Trek / Picard / Roddenberry / Quark an Athiest" discussion!!! Oh be still, my beating heart. The intelligent, open-minded, unbiased debate knows no bounds. Truly a timeless gem.

Oh, wait, that was sarcastic

 

[Kor]

Oh AWESOME!!!!!!!!!1!1!1

Another thread turned into a "Is Star Trek / Picard / Roddenberry / Quark an Athiest" discussion!!! Oh be still, my beating heart. The intelligent, open-minded, unbiased debate knows no bounds. Truly a timeless gem.

We already covered the military and money debates, so this had to be next!

Kor

 

[Vger23]

Oh, wait, that was sarcastic

We already covered the military and money debates, so this had to be next!

Kor

I'm hoping (almost said "praying"....but...you know...) that after a few more pages it morphs into "who is the best captain."

 

[fireproof78]

I'm hoping (almost said "praying"....but...you know...) that after a few more pages it morphs into "who is the best captain."

It's cool.

We all know its Robau

 

[TheCrankyCardassian]

All roads, er threads, lead to God, money, and military might.

All this has happened before, all this will happen again.

Sorry, wrong show

 

[Charles Phipps]

How would these future atheist churches feel about love instructors, another innovative aspect of Gene's utopian vision?

Kor

I'm a theist and I'm comfortable with safe, sane, and consensual prostitution.

But then again, I've always felt Star Trek was ahead of its time when it wasn't way behind it.