I was not a fan of Enterprise (or rather, failed to watch it past 8 episodes of the first season), so I will be taking Discovery in its place.
Let's talk about the elephant in the room, this series violates Roddenberry's vision big time
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I was not a fan of Enterprise (or rather, failed to watch it past 8 episodes of the first season), so I will be taking Discovery in its place.
Please do people the courtesy of taking them at their word, as opposed to telling us what we really think, or asserting your opinion as an absolute fact that cannot possibly be disputed.
You don't like the show? Fair enough. I believe you. I disagree, but I'm not going to accuse you of trolling just because we have different tastes and priorities. Or assert that there's "no way" anyone can possibly NOT be impressed . . ..
The Trek that GR had the most single control over was Trek at its worst. I am so weary of the invocation of Gene's Vision
"The Cage" and TOS?
Oh, bullshit. This show is determined to ween the audience away from that "Gene-vision" to a more traditional and generally more effective kind of dramatic storytelling. Any suggestion by the people involved that what's being shown now is going to lead us back in the direction of Roddenberry's superficial utopia is lip service intended to settle you all the fuck down.
If by "Roddenberry's vision," you mean having a captain that hits on everything that moves, and selling stuff like IDIC and hoodies, I'd say Discovery is loyal. At least according to Jason Isaacs, anyway.
This could very much be true as well. Either way, I'm enjoying it now and would very much like to see where it goes. But somehow, I don't think it's going to stick to the 'starship of douchebags' format it has now for the entire run. Also, I meant that more figuratively, in that I think the characters will grow into the enlightened and good hearted people that Star Trek produces. Finding the (cue hippy music) utopia within themselves.
"The Cage" and TOS?
Or TMP?
In which, it should be noted, Spock nerve-pinches some poor red-shirt in order to steal a thruster-suit in order to conduct an unsanctioned probe of V'Ger, in large part because of his own personal issues and conflicts.
Sounds like something his foster sister would do.
"The Cage" and TOS?
Those were productions that involved a whole team of people and "hindered by the suits."
I was talking more TMP and TNG seasons 1 and 2.
Sounds like something his foster sister would do.
Which, to me, is problematic. I would rather Burnham and the show stand on its own versus constantly calling back moments from other Trek. The callbacks should be the icing on the cake, not the flour they make the cake with.
Hell, they need those callbacks. Along with slapping Starfleet chevrons all over everything it's the main way they connect the show with Star Trek.
Set dressing for Lorca's office? Hey, let's put the hugest motherfucking tribble you've ever seen outside of TAS right on the corner of his desk so the camera can catch it as often as possible! That's what I call a Star Trek!
Set dressing for Lorca's office? Hey, let's put the hugest motherfucking tribble you've ever seen outside of TAS right on the corner of his desk so the camera can catch it as often as possible! That's what I call a Star Trek!
Well, my point was not that they're deliberately doing homages to previous eps and movies, but that Burnham's behavior is hardly beyond the pale when compared to, say, Spock.
On TOS, humanity was still a diamond in the rough, with a lot of sharp edges.
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The arrowheads everywhere, even on the boots bothers me. We get it, you're Star Trek.
I wonder if their underwear and toilet paper have arrowheads on them? Do they have Starfleet branded tampons and condoms?
"Boldly go where no man has gone before. With protection!"
I think the purest depiction of Gene Roddenberry's Vision might be Pretty Maids All in a Row.
In all seriousness, has there ever been an iteration of Star Trek where someone could objectively say, "That's Gene's vision"? It takes a village, folks. Every version of Star Trek has lot of people's fingerprints all over them, so even whatever's closest to that "vision" (early TNG?) is a compromise.
Maybe the "purest" form of Star Trek only ever existed in Roddenberry's head.
Probably "The Cage".
There is no need to publicly announce putting somebody on your ignore list unless you just want to get a parting shot in.
Which is why you'll receive an infraction next time you do this.
Which begins with Pike cranky, depressed, and thinking about quitting, because a landing party got slaughtered under his command . . . .and which ends with him leaving poor, tragic Vina behind.
