Let's talk about Equinox
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Boy was it ...the Delta Quad is probably not what the designer had in mind for a scouting location hehe...
Anyways,its irrelevant.While Voyager was a good TV series,there were some parts that were 'not logical'.
Like an Intrepid class ship eluding a Borg cube (when no other ship on Starfleet could)
A crew that's perfectly okay with potentially dying in the depths of space,never to see their families or spouses again.
A CO that passes opprotunities to get home for a rule book that's 25000 light years away .
Honestly I see it goin' down like this;
Janeway;
"We must seal the wormhole to Earth for the good of the prime directive.5000 light years down,20,000 to go!"
'Click'
"Chakotay,is that a phaser pointed at my head?"
Regeneration is pure bull and cannot be taken seriously in the Trek universe. 7 shots with ancient phasers before the Borg adapt? Starfleet doesn't know about the Borg, simply because the Borg don't tell them their name. A large chunk of Borg debris left over from First Contact that the Enterprise SOMEHOW didn't detect, yet they can detect a small camp almost devoid of technology on the surface of the planet. RIIIIIIIGHT.
And yet the Hansen's somehow know about the Borg and Starfleet thinks it's a rumor. Well, since the Hansen's could only possibly know about the Borg from the El'Aurians(s?), Starfleet would know as well. Given what we saw in ST: Generations, Starfleet couldn't possibly take Borg stories as rumor.
And yet Data claims that there is no record of the cube's configuration in the database. Nor does ayone but Guinan know who the Borg are at that point.
Thus the contradictions.
So true.
I think this can be chalked up to 7 of 9 being onboard. It's like Picard's presence in First Contact drastically changing the outcome. So, essetially, No Picard; No Earth. No 7 of 9; No Voyager.
we should also keep in mind that voyager's resources are better distributed (meals are grown rather than replicated) and Voyager has a full crew to handle repairs
I too would have preferred a few mentions to repairs being made but we should keep in mind that equinox and voyager are not the same class of ship
A NASCAR driver once said "hitting the wall at 140 feels the same as 150".
The point being you're just as dead at either speed.
You are correct that Equinox and Voyager are of different classes and different abilities,but they're both,in a word,screwed.
And not forgetting that Equinox lost half her crew in the first seven days in the delta quadrant.
In The 37s they said Voyager couldn't operate very well with less than a third of the crew gone (ignoring how long they survived in Year of Hell).
Actually that's exactly what they did at the end of the first part. Then in Part 2 Janeway & Co. defended themselves then kicked some Equinox ass.
As much as I love Voyager I believe they did overuse the borg. However, they did have some good villains that they should have made more use of such as the Vidians and the Vaadwaur.
Actually, it was always unlikely that any villains they ran into would be around for a long while - the Kaazon for example seemed to be around a long time. One villain that had the potential to be a constant thread though was the Vaadwaur since they had use of their subspace corridors.
So did Voyager but unlike the Equinox they had replacement crew available when Janeway and Chakotay decided to meld the two crews. They also had Neelix who was familiar with the area to act as a guide and introduce them to leola root. I know leola root was the butt of many jokes but I'm sure there were times when it made the difference between eating and not eating when supplies were low.
Also, as someone else mentioned there was Seven and her magical nanoprobes. Lucky they had her since they didn't have Wesley Crusher.
Also, you have to look at the command styles. Ransom claimed that the Equinox rarely ran into anyone who was friendly. Gee, Voyager was hunted by the Kazon for nearly two years and the ship was eventually taken by them. They only got out of that mess thanks to their ties with the Talaxians.
When Ransom finally ran into a helpful race who showed them how to call a third race that COULD have been helpful on their journey (no, not necessarily as fuel) what did Ransom do instead of open a dialogue? He started slaughtering them. Not very smart.
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So did Voyager but unlike the Equinox they had replacement crew available when Janeway and Chakotay decided to meld the two crews. They also had Neelix who was familiar with the area to act as a guide and introduce them to leola root. I know leola root was the butt of many jokes but I'm sure there were times when it made the difference between eating and not eating when supplies were low.
Also, as someone else mentioned there was Seven and her magical nanoprobes. Lucky they had her since they didn't have Wesley Crusher.
Also, you have to look at the command styles. Ransom claimed that the Equinox rarely ran into anyone who was friendly. Gee, Voyager was hunted by the Kazon for nearly two years and the ship was eventually taken by them. They only got out of that mess thanks to their ties with the Talaxians.
When Ransom finally ran into a helpful race who showed them how to call a third race that COULD have been helpful on their journey (no, not necessarily as fuel) what did Ransom do instead of open a dialogue? He started slaughtering them. Not very smart.
Rose-colored glasses and a VERY high horse. Experience tells nothing but true stories.
So did Voyager but unlike the Equinox they had replacement crew available when Janeway and Chakotay decided to meld the two crews. They also had Neelix who was familiar with the area to act as a guide and introduce them to leola root. I know leola root was the butt of many jokes but I'm sure there were times when it made the difference between eating and not eating when supplies were low.
Also, as someone else mentioned there was Seven and her magical nanoprobes. Lucky they had her since they didn't have Wesley Crusher.
Also, you have to look at the command styles. Ransom claimed that the Equinox rarely ran into anyone who was friendly. Gee, Voyager was hunted by the Kazon for nearly two years and the ship was eventually taken by them. They only got out of that mess thanks to their ties with the Talaxians.
When Ransom finally ran into a helpful race who showed them how to call a third race that COULD have been helpful on their journey (no, not necessarily as fuel) what did Ransom do instead of open a dialogue? He started slaughtering them. Not very smart.
Rose-colored glasses and a VERY high horse. Experience tells nothing but true stories.
Would that be the case if those same decisions had been made by Kirk or Picard?
No, Voyager lost ONLY 12 crewmen out of 141 (or 9%).
Equinox lost 39 out of 80 (or 49%).
Granted when they merged the crews they had 154 people, a net gain of 25 Maquis crew.
It seemed like a lot more. Where did you get those numbers? Just curious.
MeanJoePhaser
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They should've shook things up and had some of the Maquis join Ransom's crew.
And then they get away not to be seen until ENDGAME, when a future Admiral Ransom, not Janeway, comes back to save Voyager and redeem himself even if it means she'll spill the beans on present day Ransom when she gets back home.
And then they get away not to be seen until ENDGAME, when a future Admiral Ransom, not Janeway, comes back to save Voyager and redeem himself even if it means she'll spill the beans on present day Ransom when she gets back home.
Cute,but I'd have to disagree.
If Ransom got home and was promoted,with all the fanfare and celebration he'd have little reason to go back and ensure his own prison sentence.
His promoted crew won't like being demoted from starship command to chopping dilithium either.
Unlike previous occasions where captians violated the Prime Directive or a treaty,Ransom and company is guilty of multiple counts of murder,and would qualify for genocide by the time he got to Earth.
Were he and his crew not starfleet they'd be executed in any other culture,and debatably deserve it.
What makes you think Kirk or Picard wouldn't snap under that kind of pressure? We saw Picard snap in "First Contact." As for Kirk, he stranded a whole group of people on a little planet called Ceti Alpha 5 and didn't bother to come back to check on them nor did he send anyone else. That is utterly reprehensible.
I noticed you didn't mention Sisko. Good. Because we all remember what he did in "In The Pale Moonlight." Don't we?
Rose-colored glasses indeed.
141 crew complement - "Caretaker" (Not sure if this includes Tom Paris, who was technically only an observer, or Tuvok who was off ship at the time they left)
12 dead - "Nightingale" (actually a "dozen dead", which could be a couple either way)
154 crew - "The 37s" (actually it was 152 but Seska and Lt Durst - killed in "Faces" - were either gone or dead by then)
39 - "Equinox" (estimated crew complement of 80, as Ransom said he "lost half his crew")
Maquis ship crew complement of 25 - A guess based on the figures, although this would actually be 23 not counting Kes and Neelix, unless the 154 figure doesn't include them either.
Granted the crew numbers vary between seasons - at one stage they had more than the previously mentioned tally - but I usually say 154 people after "Caretaker" given they were pretty on to it in the early seasons in terms of continuity.
Actually saying that, I would have liked to see that. Maybe in the las episode we found out that Voyager almost made it home after all those years but was destroyed by something stupid like the Romulans (I know). The overall guilt of what he did to Voyager and how he got home through genocide, he decides to save Voyager using what he learnt on the way and try to redeem himself and his crew. Obviously Voyager would get home before the Equinox and the timelike would change.
It's a dumb idea, but really it's about the same as Burman would do if he thought about it.
I didn't mention Sisko because I never got into DS9 - with or without glasses.
You should watch. It gets much better with Season 3.
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