No, see, the metal was a hologram too! It was meant to throw us off the scent....
Let's speculate on the deep, dark secret
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No, see, the metal was a hologram too! It was meant to throw us off the scent....
Mobile emitter.
Didn't we see ex-Borg Romulans in random episodes of Star Trek: Voyager? Like on that one planet where there was some gang-like fighting over limited supplies, and it was all Ex-Borg people?
That issue is now moot. Not all Romulans cause Borg Cubes to shut down when they're assimilated...it was specifically Ramdha who was responsible for that.
Hehe....episode 10....everyone is congratulating each other...then
"Why are the stars going out? "...then a little boy walks by and says "You didn't help her out did you????"
That...i think...is actually Rizzos conjecture is it not? But as i've seen it used as a plot hole from the usual YT suspects:
Her conjecture is that any mind that can survive that Zhat Vash initiation cannot be fully assimilated by the Borg...ORRRRR...it was what Ramdha knew that actually broke the Borg? Rather than having a strong mind.
I'd say the latter.
Auntie Ramdha went nuckin-futz from what they saw, but she just barely managed to hold it together to be able to be somewhat functional on a daily basis.
When the Borg assimilated her, she went completely off the deep end during the process and essentially downloaded her entire experience into the Collective.
They had absolutely no idea as to how to interpret it and just shut down.
She became the living, walking Virus similar to what Geordie & Data designed to place into Hugh.
When the Borg assimilated her, she went completely off the deep end during the process and essentially downloaded her entire experience into the Collective.
They had absolutely no idea as to how to interpret it and just shut down.
She became the living, walking Virus similar to what Geordie & Data designed to place into Hugh.
At least that's my theory.
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Auntie Ramdha went nuckin-futz from what they saw, but she just barely managed to hold it together to be able to be somewhat functional on a daily basis.
When the Borg assimilated her, she went completely off the deep end during the process and essentially downloaded her entire experience into the Collective.
They had absolutely no idea as to how to interpret it and just shut down.
She became the living, walking Virus similar to what Geordie & Data designed to place into Hugh.
At least that's my theory.
That's legit. Honestly, I Borg was a little preposterous. "Hey some dopes on a starship can wipe out the Borg with an MC Escher drawing" mmmkay.
But if you want to buy that premise then it makes sense that the Borg would cut loose a malfunctioning cube
^ I never took the moral dilemma in "I, Borg" seriously, because the thing that was supposed to be genocidal was the 1990s equivalent of "blow their circuits by making them calculate pi to the last digit".
James T. Kirk approves.
I never believed that it would "blow their circuits", I think the goal was to just shut them down.
The problem became moot though when we found out that there was a Borg Queen in charge.
Because She would just see the problem rationally and realize it was unsolvable and wipe it from their memory banks.
The thing with Auntie Ramdha is that what she saw isn't really rational to a sane mind.
Thus even a Borg Queen would have a problem trying to rationalize and contain or remove it.
Which would be why that particular cube was cut off.
I mean, the holographic universe theory has been floating around for at least a couple decades now and afaik, nobody's offed themselves over the notion. I'm just a regular guy but I can't imagine being shown any series of images that would be so awful I'd just kill myself on the spot. There's got to be something buried deeper and subliminally within the message to affect people so strongly.
And honestly, that is what worries me about the conclusion of this season. It's the possibility the writers wrote themselves into a corner and now can't deliver what ever the truly horrible secret is that would drive people to suicide just from having seen it.
Maybe the Romulan cadidates had been subjected to the final seconds of agonising thoughts and feelings of trillions of beings being snuffed out, their intense Romulan psychology can't cope, then they commit suicide, self harm, or go in a catatonic state.
Thanks - I've actually never held much stock in this Romulan origin theory - I think it was put out on purpose to deflect. But, it was my best stab at trying to prove it, which thanks to you we can now bin and talk about more likely (and sensible) theories.
I've just posted my prediction for episodes 9&10 (and perhaps season 2) under 'Innocuous question, important answer...' Would be interested to hear your thoughts.
My new hypothesis is there is no deep dark secret whatsoever. In the end, we're going to see one of two endgames:
- The elder race built synthetic life - and enslaved it. Some sort of advanced being punished them for being total dicks. But the Federation avoids this fate due to Picard & company believing in universal equality and brotherhood. The Zhat Vash just completely misunderstood what the warning meant. This all could possibly be explained through a dialogue between Picard and Q.
- The elder race built synthetic life - and most of them embraced it and cherished it. However, a small minority of them thought it was a perversion against nature, and decided to genocide the remainder of their own race rather than live alongside synths. They then put up a monument which basically included "mental poison" to ensure that anyone else who came upon it would be as hateful and intolerant as they were. The Zhat Vash followed in their footsteps, condemning billions of their own race to die for the sake of hatred against a class of sentient beings.
Yeah, the old "have them gawk at something illogical until they self-destruct" is right out of TOS-era cheesiness-in-a-bad-way.
It was also hard to swallow that, after a few scant minutes of chattering, how easily Guinan and Picard did a full and complete 180 in "I, Borg". The Borg is unlike any other enemy the Federation encountered. Guinan admitted it is impossible to reason to them. Then again Janeway somehow managed it but she didn't do it alone (Species 8472 creating a common adversary under very atypical circumstances.)
Auntie Ramdha went nuckin-futz from what they saw, but she just barely managed to hold it together to be able to be somewhat functional on a daily basis.
When the Borg assimilated her, she went completely off the deep end during the process and essentially downloaded her entire experience into the Collective.
They had absolutely no idea as to how to interpret it and just shut down.
She became the living, walking Virus similar to what Geordie & Data designed to place into Hugh.
At least that's my theory.
No need for spoiler tags! And yes, that's clearly what happened -- the Borg assimilated Ramdha and it blew their collective minds. That was made as clear as day by the dialog.
In the last episode of TNG, Q did say that humans had been on trial the entire time (thru 7 seasons) and that 'the trial never ends'. So there's always the possibility of this being wrapped up in a Q trial of humanity...
Maybe the synth civilization exists for a very long time and destroyed both the Tkon and the Romulan Star Empire to keep themselves save and hidden.
Perhaps the Zhat Vash are right and the synths destroy biological species and empires, which reach a technological progress that allows them to create and enslave artificial life.
Perhaps the Zhat Vash are right and the synths destroy biological species and empires, which reach a technological progress that allows them to create and enslave artificial life.
