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Spoilers Let’s talk about the destruction of Trek utopia…

Yeah, I read humankind as trapped in a Fallout-esque Hellhole where the living envied the dead except for a few mad scientists like Cochrane.

The Vulcans raised us to Utopia by giving us the relief and technology to do so.

the Vulcans didn’t share their technology as far as canon has said. It looks like things like replicators were independently made in earth. As Tripp’s once told T-pol that husband had abolished hunger, crime etc. in like 60 years. He didn’t give the Vulcans any credit for that. Let’s face facts here Picard was produced to mirror out fractured society of politics nothing more. Funny that even copy data made a crack about how horrible human kind was. He wasn’t talking about 20th it 21st century humans but 24th century humans. Star Trek unfortunately has devolved into 23rd and 24th century show about 20th and 21st humans playing in the future with clothes that look right out of the 20-21st centuries. Basically I’m watching a show about present times with some really kewl holo buttons everywhere and everyone acting like they are past humans stuck in the future.
 
That's how it has always been in Trek. The whole point of the SF framing device is the ability to critique current situations while not specifically naming any one person, including TOS which wasn't even subtle in its commentary at times.

Humanity in the 24th century was just as capable of the horrors that we have going on now. DS9 proved that. Even though Earth had improved and that horror was directed outward, and generally away from Earth. But, no where were humans above the ability to be horrible towards aliens or each other.
Star Trek unfortunately
Why is this unfortunate? Humans need a wake up call and Star Trek is just as good of a vehicle to do so as any.

This isn't the 90s and we don't get to have safe TV anymore. Humans are not going to believe in a utopia if they can't see themselves in it. And utopia isn't worth having if it means ignoring the basic aspects of humanity.
 
This was a Gallagher Sledge-O-Matic upside the head and filmed the same year Martin Luther King, Jr. was assassinated. Trek does social commentary in two ways: quiet and DAMMIT, HUMANITY, WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?????

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That's how it has always been in Trek. The whole point of the SF framing device is the ability to critique current situations while not specifically naming any one person, including TOS which wasn't even subtle in its commentary at times.

Humanity in the 24th century was just as capable of the horrors that we have going on now. DS9 proved that. Even though Earth had improved and that horror was directed outward, and generally away from Earth. But, no where were humans above the ability to be horrible towards aliens or each other.

Why is this unfortunate? Humans need a wake up call and Star Trek is just as good of a vehicle to do so as any.

This isn't the 90s and we don't get to have safe TV anymore. Humans are not going to believe in a utopia if they can't see themselves in it. And utopia isn't worth having if it means ignoring the basic aspects of humanity.
Not true at all. Audiences are smart enough to know they're watching a series or movie which is optimistic, and doesn't have to be drilled into the course of what is human? The audience will believe what is true basically on the merit of the material, and I don't believe it has to be something that is not in the franchise nature for audiences to believe what they're watching. Suspension of disbelief is the core of Star Trek, and other programs which displays the fantastical, is there a point for a "wake up call" if the viewer doesn't care??? Is there a point to that nature if they simply ignores it?
 
Not true at all. Audiences are smart enough to know they're watching a series or movie which is optimistic, and doesn't have to be drilled into the course of what is human? The audience will believe what is true basically on the merit of the material, and I don't believe it has to be something that is not in the franchise nature for audiences to believe what they're watching. Suspension of disbelief is the core of Star Trek, and other programs which displays the fantastical, is there a point for a "wake up call" if the viewer doesn't care??? Is there a point to that nature if they simply ignores it?
Sure, the point is to be entertaining. Doesn't change why SF was chosen as a framing device.

And Trek could be subtle but wasn't always. That's why I love TOS. It's multi-faceted.
 
the Vulcans didn’t share their technology as far as canon has said. It looks like things like replicators were independently made in earth. As Tripp’s once told T-pol that husband had abolished hunger, crime etc. in like 60 years. He didn’t give the Vulcans any credit for that. Let’s face facts here Picard was produced to mirror out fractured society of politics nothing more. Funny that even copy data made a crack about how horrible human kind was. He wasn’t talking about 20th it 21st century humans but 24th century humans. Star Trek unfortunately has devolved into 23rd and 24th century show about 20th and 21st humans playing in the future with clothes that look right out of the 20-21st centuries. Basically I’m watching a show about present times with some really kewl holo buttons everywhere and everyone acting like they are past humans stuck in the future.

Eh, in Terra Firma, it says the Vulcans were the ones who cured at least one disease.
 
When watching reviews of Picard on YouTube, one of the biggest issues that keeps coming up is the destruction of the Trek utopia envisioned by Roddenberry.

Are you okay with it? Is it upsetting your enjoyment of Picard? Or is it so bad that for you it’s not even Trek any more?

Some people take the stance that it’s Roddenberry’s vision and therefore shouldn’t be changed. Where do you stand on this?

Well I’m here to explain that what we’re watching isn’t actually a breakdown of the Federation’s utopia (at least not by episode 5), it’s just an illusion created by the serialisation of one dark story on the fringes of the Federation, strung out over a whole season. It’s certainly not Trek, but that’s for other reasons unrelated to utopia.

Disclaimer: I’m not a fan of Kurtzman Trek and nor am I defending it - I hate the gore; the shallow relationships/characters; moronic language, the disrespectful attitudes to authority, and swearing, all of which denigrated the professionalism of the crew on Discovery; I prefer episodic narrative over serialisation and like best the way X-files combined the two; and I dislike the way he messes with/ignores canon.

However, it’s using canon that I will seek to explain/defend the dystopian feeling we get in Picard.

The reason we’re not actually witnessing a breakdown of utopia in the Federation is because (a) we’re not on a Federation vessel and (b) most of the show takes place outside or on the fringes of Federation space.

When we were on Earth the worst thing we saw in terms of a dystopian vision was the F-word from an admiral, and that Starfleet Intelligence seems to have been infiltrated by the Zhat Vash. There is *no* evidence of a utopian breakdown.

The worst we can say (by episode 5) is that the Federation failed to live up to its vision by resettling the Romulans to utopian standards. But it’s totally plausible that resources weren’t available to save an entire planet and in any case the Romulans do not care for the Federation vision of utopia and it moreover hates the Federation.

Although it seems clear that some of top brass of the Federation/Starfleet did not care to help the Romulans (and that attitude does not live up to Roddenberry’s utopian ideals), this kind of diversion from the ideal is rife within Trek canon…it’s nothing new…it’s happened before.

Cast a careful eye over TNG, DS9, movies, etc and you’ll see the cracks were always there, but they were always on the fringes of Federation space. And we only get the occasional glimpse of hard-nosed, dirty, non-utopian Federation/Starfleet decision making when dealing with Admirals.

Most of the time, we were sheltered from the Federation’s dirty laundry facing Starfleet management, because we saw Trek through the eyes of the crew of the Federation flagship. Our view of the Federation has been seen through the eyes of its staff not its upper management, which gives a distorted/biased view as to the realities of how this utopia is actually run, maintained and is continually being attacked at its fringes.

ST Picard puts us into these fringes and outside the federation, on a private vessel, in the thick of a conspiracy involving enemies seeking to take the Federation down. So, of course it’s going to be dark, but it’s not offering a dystopian vision of the Federation - we’re not even in the Federation - it’s showing us that on the edge of the Federation’s utopia, progress exists on a knife edge and sometimes things get rough and dirty...just like in DS9.

It’s no different to how in “Star Trek VI: Undiscovered Country” - Chief-in-Command Admiral Cartwright conspires with other Starfleet officers, Klingons and Vulcans to kill the Klingon Chancellor in order to AVOID peace with Klingon. ST Picard is doing the same thing in a far more sophisticated way serialised over 10 episodes and multiple seasons, instead of 2 hours.

Therefore, it is reasonable and realistic for writers to show that there will be attacks on Trek utopia, so long as it’s not dismantled, but because this storyline is serialised it gives the feeling of a dystopian vision, when in fact it’s anything but.

Refresh your memory with new eyes on the following episodes and you’ll see that on many occasions Starfleet took dirty non-Roddenbery-utopian like decisions. But these were single episodes and now we’re living one episode over a whole season and beyond.

“Ensign Ro” TNG S05e03 - Admiral Kennelly orders Picard to escort a Bajoran cruiser to a camp, but secretly negotiates with the Cardassians to maintain their treaty alliance with the Federation in exchange for the lives on that ship...Picard is ordered to stand down while the Cardassians blow it up.

“The Offspring” TNG S03E16 - Admiral Haften tries to force the separation of Lal from her father, Data.

“The Search Part II” DS9 S03E02 - The Federation tries to negotiate a peace treaty with the Dominion and Admiral superbitch Nechayev excludes the Romulans from peace talks, because they’ll be irrelevant once the treaty is signed. She also reneges on a deal with Bajor by suspending its request for membership indefinitely, and agrees for the Federation to withdraw from DS9 leaving it in the Dominion’s hands, thus screwing the Bajorans whose enemy is the Dominion.

“The Pegasus” TNG S07E12 - Starfleet Intelligence buries an investigation into a cover-up on The Pegasus, in which countless crew members died, because the Federation secretly broke the Treaty of Algeron by developing a cloaking device.

“A Journey’s End” TNG S07E20 - Admiral Nechayev orders Picard to remove Native American Indians who settled in an outpost near Cardassian border by any means necessary. Orders come from the top of Starfleet. The tribe were previously removed from native lands 200 years earlier.

“Descent Part I” TNG S06E26 - Admiral Nechayev reprimands Picard for letting the Borg, Hugh, free when he regained individuality. She said he should have used him to destroy the Borg (as well as Hugh) and orders him to do so at any other opportunity in future.

“The Drumhead” TNG S04E21 - Starfleet Command dispatches Admiral Nora Satie to investigate potential sabotage aboard the Enterprise and she turns it into a McCarthy style witch hunt.

I can tell you one thing: I can't watch this series anymore!

I've tried. I've really tried to like this series because I like Captain picard, I like Star trek TNG and I've been waiting for so many years for a return to the 24th century.

But watching "Picard" ruins all the fun it was to watch TNG, DS9 and Voyager.

I had a bad feeling already from the start. What gave me tis bad feeling can be clearly seen in this picture below:
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The upper picture is from TNG. There is the bridge of the Enterprise bridge in clear light.

The lower picture is from "Picard". It's dark! :(

Everything is dark!

Now that is typical for all dystopic 2010-2020 era depressive, dystopic crap movies and series I simply can't stand.

That darkness immediately gave me bad feelings and unfortunately my gut feeling was right.

Darkness, depressive stories, blood splattered scenes like the torture of Icheb and so on.

In fact, even Picard is ruined as a character. It's actually ironic that the Picard we see in this series is almost similar to the Picard we saw in "Tapestry", the episode where Q gave him a chance to live his life again and correct past mistakes and he ended up a bitter, depressive man who had missed all the opportunities he had to do something useful of his life.

Killing him of and restore him as an android was just the final destruction of an once great character.

And that's the end of it for me. I rather watch TOS, TNG, DS9 and the first three seasons of Voyager over and over and over and over again than waste my time on any of those new, horrible, dystopic series among which we can count "Star Trek Discovery" and "Picard". In fact, those series are not Star Trek, they are Dystopic Trek.

The only SF-series I can watch nowadays is The Orville. Despite it's highly annoying silliness, it's the only SF-series which at least reminds me a little about the once so great and exceiting Star Trek.
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That's how it has always been in Trek. The whole point of the SF framing device is the ability to critique current situations while not specifically naming any one person, including TOS which wasn't even subtle in its commentary at times.

Humanity in the 24th century was just as capable of the horrors that we have going on now. DS9 proved that. Even though Earth had improved and that horror was directed outward, and generally away from Earth. But, no where were humans above the ability to be horrible towards aliens or each other.

Why is this unfortunate? Humans need a wake up call and Star Trek is just as good of a vehicle to do so as any.

This isn't the 90s and we don't get to have safe TV anymore. Humans are not going to believe in a utopia if they can't see themselves in it. And utopia isn't worth having if it means ignoring the basic aspects of humanity.

That’s laughable. Star Trek wasn’t meant to show humanities worst but it’s best. Sure there are still some people that are bad but on whole humans had advanced. Debasing Star Trek now as a follower and no longer a leader in sci fi is sad and frankly boring. I still haven’t finished the last episode because I’m losing interest in it. I have no desire to see any more Picard but will force myself to watch and hope they make corrections.
 
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