Spoilers Let’s talk about the destruction of Trek utopia…

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Anters, Feb 24, 2020.

  1. Pubert

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    the Vulcans didn’t share their technology as far as canon has said. It looks like things like replicators were independently made in earth. As Tripp’s once told T-pol that husband had abolished hunger, crime etc. in like 60 years. He didn’t give the Vulcans any credit for that. Let’s face facts here Picard was produced to mirror out fractured society of politics nothing more. Funny that even copy data made a crack about how horrible human kind was. He wasn’t talking about 20th it 21st century humans but 24th century humans. Star Trek unfortunately has devolved into 23rd and 24th century show about 20th and 21st humans playing in the future with clothes that look right out of the 20-21st centuries. Basically I’m watching a show about present times with some really kewl holo buttons everywhere and everyone acting like they are past humans stuck in the future.
     
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  2. fireproof78

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    That's how it has always been in Trek. The whole point of the SF framing device is the ability to critique current situations while not specifically naming any one person, including TOS which wasn't even subtle in its commentary at times.

    Humanity in the 24th century was just as capable of the horrors that we have going on now. DS9 proved that. Even though Earth had improved and that horror was directed outward, and generally away from Earth. But, no where were humans above the ability to be horrible towards aliens or each other.
    Why is this unfortunate? Humans need a wake up call and Star Trek is just as good of a vehicle to do so as any.

    This isn't the 90s and we don't get to have safe TV anymore. Humans are not going to believe in a utopia if they can't see themselves in it. And utopia isn't worth having if it means ignoring the basic aspects of humanity.
     
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  3. cooleddie74

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    This was a Gallagher Sledge-O-Matic upside the head and filmed the same year Martin Luther King, Jr. was assassinated. Trek does social commentary in two ways: quiet and DAMMIT, HUMANITY, WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?????

     
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  4. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Otherwise known as the 2019 Twilight Zone...
     
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  5. Bad Thoughts

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    I have to agree with Steve Shives on this one: this episode made Rod Serling seethe with jealousy.
     
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  6. Mr. Laser Beam

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    ^ To be fair, the new TZ's second season is MUCH better than the first.
     
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  7. STEPhon IT

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    Not true at all. Audiences are smart enough to know they're watching a series or movie which is optimistic, and doesn't have to be drilled into the course of what is human? The audience will believe what is true basically on the merit of the material, and I don't believe it has to be something that is not in the franchise nature for audiences to believe what they're watching. Suspension of disbelief is the core of Star Trek, and other programs which displays the fantastical, is there a point for a "wake up call" if the viewer doesn't care??? Is there a point to that nature if they simply ignores it?
     
  8. Lord Garth

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    Responding to the first new thing said in this thread in a while...
    That's good to know. If I ever feel like I can't get through the first season, I'll just skip ahead.
     
  9. Tenacity

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    Hell. 2020 might seem utopia to people living in 2120.
     
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  10. cooleddie74

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    If we play our cards right the people in 2120 will never have to think that.
     
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  11. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

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    Thanks for that cheery thought...
     
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  12. fireproof78

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    Sure, the point is to be entertaining. Doesn't change why SF was chosen as a framing device.

    And Trek could be subtle but wasn't always. That's why I love TOS. It's multi-faceted.
     
  13. Charles Phipps

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    Eh, in Terra Firma, it says the Vulcans were the ones who cured at least one disease.
     
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  14. Bornin1980something

    Bornin1980something Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    You mean 'Terra prime'?
     
  15. Mr. Laser Beam

    Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Yeah, that's the one.

    "Terra Firma" is an upcoming 2-part DSC episode. And no, I don't know what it's about, specifically.
     
  16. Tenacity

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    An entire episode about firm ground?
     
  17. Lynx

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    I can tell you one thing: I can't watch this series anymore!

    I've tried. I've really tried to like this series because I like Captain picard, I like Star trek TNG and I've been waiting for so many years for a return to the 24th century.

    But watching "Picard" ruins all the fun it was to watch TNG, DS9 and Voyager.

    I had a bad feeling already from the start. What gave me tis bad feeling can be clearly seen in this picture below:
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    The upper picture is from TNG. There is the bridge of the Enterprise bridge in clear light.

    The lower picture is from "Picard". It's dark! :(

    Everything is dark!

    Now that is typical for all dystopic 2010-2020 era depressive, dystopic crap movies and series I simply can't stand.

    That darkness immediately gave me bad feelings and unfortunately my gut feeling was right.

    Darkness, depressive stories, blood splattered scenes like the torture of Icheb and so on.

    In fact, even Picard is ruined as a character. It's actually ironic that the Picard we see in this series is almost similar to the Picard we saw in "Tapestry", the episode where Q gave him a chance to live his life again and correct past mistakes and he ended up a bitter, depressive man who had missed all the opportunities he had to do something useful of his life.

    Killing him of and restore him as an android was just the final destruction of an once great character.

    And that's the end of it for me. I rather watch TOS, TNG, DS9 and the first three seasons of Voyager over and over and over and over again than waste my time on any of those new, horrible, dystopic series among which we can count "Star Trek Discovery" and "Picard". In fact, those series are not Star Trek, they are Dystopic Trek.

    The only SF-series I can watch nowadays is The Orville. Despite it's highly annoying silliness, it's the only SF-series which at least reminds me a little about the once so great and exceiting Star Trek.
    :weep:
     
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  18. fireproof78

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    Dark doesn't equal dystopia.

    Picard is not ruined.

    Trek is still ok.
     
  19. The Old Mixer

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    Right now I'm sitting in a dark living room with just the computer and TV on. I guess I'm living in a dystopia.

    [Checks the news.]

    Waitaminute...I am living in a dystopia!
     
  20. Pubert

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    That’s laughable. Star Trek wasn’t meant to show humanities worst but it’s best. Sure there are still some people that are bad but on whole humans had advanced. Debasing Star Trek now as a follower and no longer a leader in sci fi is sad and frankly boring. I still haven’t finished the last episode because I’m losing interest in it. I have no desire to see any more Picard but will force myself to watch and hope they make corrections.