Leonard Nimoy's Voiceover is pretty cool !

[ClayinCA]

I am one who is not a Shatner fan. I am looking forward to a new Kirk, one who is not as egotistical as Shatner so I can start to like the character of Kirk again.

It is well known that Shatner tried to dominate TOS. He took other's lines, changed script to make himself the hero and make every show revolve around himself as much as possible. An excerpt from a book about the episode "City of the Edge of Forever":

"No one else is safe from Ellison's legendary wrath, either. He recounts an incident with William Shatner, who had requested to be the absolute first to read Ellison's completed script for "City". Ellison invited Shatner into his home (after Shatner wipes out his motorcycle showboating in his driveway.) to examine the script. And examine it he does-for several hours. Thus we had the first request for a rewrite, because Shatner had counted the lines he had, and realized that Leonard Nimoy had a handful more. Such were the egos involved here."

Much of the cast hated him. With time I got sick of the domination and constant glorification of Kirk/Shatner. But like all good entertainment it will survive adversity and still would be the powerful series that it was.

Another strike I had against Shatner's egoism was that he tried to one-up Nimoy's excellent ST4 and we got the result of ST5 - a crappy movie. Thank God Nimoy was strongly involved in ST6 or the franchise might have ended there.

I'm looking forward to a likable Kirk/Pine in the upcoming movie. A courageous, impulsive, imperfect captain trying to keep it all working smoothly, an Uhura who does more than just "open hailing frequencies", a brilliant, psychologically flawed Spock who could never lose chess games to Kirk, a witty, energetic Sulu who does more than put Kirks brilliancy into action, a lovable, sarcastic, brutal humored McCoy, and a young, energetic, skirt chasing Checkov who is exceptionally bright for his age and a brilliant Scotty who has ideas, not just mechanics. Shatner's quest for being the constant hero and better, brighter, more courageous than everybody else got old for me.

Now the Shatner lovers will hate me but so what. The character Spock tends to be the draw for Star Trek and has probably done more for the popularity of the show than any other single character so I think the movie will do just fine.

I don't consider myself a "Shatner lover" (remember, kids, you can love your Shatner, just don't...loooove your Shatner ), nor do I hate you, but I do think your post shows that you can't separate the character from the actor. I mean, Sean Connery once said that some women deserve to be hit, a statement which I find deplorable, but he's still the best James Bond ever.

 

[maryh]

I don't consider myself a "Shatner lover" (remember, kids, you can love your Shatner, just don't...loooove your Shatner ), nor do I hate you, but I do think your post shows that you can't separate the character from the actor. I mean, Sean Connery once said that some women deserve to be hit, a statement which I find deplorable, but he's still the best James Bond ever.

I think I am the one who can distinguish between the actor and the character as I am the one who is perfectly happy to replace him!! Those who call for only Shatner to play Kirk are the ones who cannot distinguish. Kirk is a character played by an actor. There is only one Kirk but many actors.

Actually I think it was Shatner who could not separate himself and his egotism from his character. Though an excellent show, it suffered flaws often attributed to Shatner's ego. He took lines from other characters that it did not make sense for him to say. He cut scenes (like Sulu getting his wings from ST5). I hated in Journey to Babel, when he has to know more about Uhura's communications board than she did and out think her. He was jealous that the audience would only see him as the "driver" of the ship, so he had to change script so that he was the expert and better than everyone else at everything else. Yes these things I mention are documented in various books. To this day, all this Kirk-Spock gayness can be attributed to Shatner's jealousy of the rising popularity of the Spock character. There were fights and objections between them because of it. Roddenberry wrote to Isaac Asimov about the rivalry. Asimov told him to keep the two characters as close as possible to minimize the friction etc.

I do acknowledge the good points about Shatner's Kirk. Shatner overacted, but usually this was good. It added drama and was a great balance for Nimoy's dead pan unemotionality. He played a good kisser, he was lively and fun. But it would have been better without Shatner's egotism. It did effect the quality of the show. I'm perfectly happy replacing him with a handsome, young, less egotistical actor named Chris Pine. I'm sure there are other parts Shatner could play, but he does not seem to be able to separate himself from that part.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

With all these problems with Nimoy - are the Shatner fans really sure they want him back in his old, and tired form?

Shatner is currently starring on a hit television show; winning awards; and arguably doing better than ever.

Your question makes no sense, ensign.

All I see are references to his FATNESS!!

Well, then you are either not paying attention, or trolling. Take your pick.

Curious though, why aren't you mad at Shatner for killing off his own character so ignomously?

If I was "mad" at Shatner for anything, I would seek professional help.

I'm sure what he did made sense at the time, and he probably figured that he could just come back like Spock did if anything went wrong. But then the wind changed directions. Actors make guesses as to what will work and what won't. There's no guarantee. Even the biggest and best actors guess wrong. Shatner guessed wrong. And, inexplicably, this gives people who dislike Shatner cause to dump on him even more.

When Nimoy allowed Spock to get killed in TWOK I was very angry with him for not appreciating the character. I wouldn't see the movies until ST4 came out - and then I forgave him, but that was a few years of anger.

Well, then you have issues.

I never blamed anyone else for killing the character but Nimoy. Shatner, for some reason, eludes your anger and you are placing the blame where it has no bearing.

I'm not placing the blame on anyone. What the hell are you talking about?

Shatner acted the part, he had to know exactly what he was doing.

I'm sure he thought he knew what he was doing, but no one ever knows for sure until the picture comes out and the audience reacts.

If he wants a piece in this picture...

Who said he wants a part in the picture? He did seem a little hurt -- feigned or otherwise -- that he wasn't asked, but that's a different story.

...he could play his own father,...

Objection. Assumes facts not in evidence. There is no reason to believe that part has even been offered to him.

But no, everything, as usual, has to revolve around him.

Objection. Speculation and argumentative.

I need a new Kirk.

Good for you. You're about to get one.

The characters work best together. We would not have loved these characters had they not had each other to play off of; the chemistry between them was great. I want Kirk back, but with a different actor.

This contradicts everything you have said so far. Based on this argument, you should be insisting that Shatner is in the movie since Nimoy is in it.

Looks like I'm going to get my way!!

You'll get a new Kirk, but you still may not get what you want.

 

[PKTrekGirl]

^ You're hot when you go all Alan Shore on us.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

^ You're hot when you go all Alan Shore on us.

There's more where that came from, baby!

You should see my closings.

 

[maryh]

I have not read YOUR particular postings to know exactly what your opinions are on this new movie so it is fair to say I may have associated others opinions with you. I'm too new to know all the posters yet. However, I've read lots of negative comments.

Well, then you are either not paying attention, or trolling. Take your pick.

We might read different sources? Many have express the ridiculousness of bringing back Kirk, an overweight 77 YO who has already been killed off. I tend to agree. Bringing back Kirk would involve actions scenes which I don't feel he can do anymore. Half the joy of TOS was the action, fighting, rolling on the ground, I'd rather look at Pine doing this because he CAN. I doubt Nimoy's scenes involve much action. He was always the intellectual whereas Kirk was the kick-ass.

If I was "mad" at Shatner for anything, I would seek professional help.

As long as you, unlike some, aren't mad at Abrams or Nimoy or Orci or Paramont instead of Shatner. It would not make sense to seek professional help for being mad at one and not the others.

I'm sure what he did made sense at the time, and he probably figured that he could just come back like Spock did if anything went wrong. But then the wind changed directions. Actors make guesses as to what will work and what won't. There's no guarantee. Even the biggest and best actors guess wrong. Shatner guessed wrong. And, inexplicably, this gives people who dislike Shatner cause to dump on him even more.

Actually I didn't think it made sense then. Though I dislike Shatner I don't hate him and see his good qualities. It is beyond me how he allowed himself to be killed of so meaninglessly - and at his age. When Nimoy did it they were younger and it was in a grand style with hope imbedded in the script. But I am grateful somebody is willing to come out of retirement to pass the torch on. I'm impressed that Nimoy did this for the fan base.

I'm sure he thought he knew what he was doing, but no one ever knows for sure until the picture comes out and the audience reacts.

If I wrote that I might be accused of mind reading.

Who said he wants a part in the picture? He did seem a little hurt -- feigned or otherwise -- that he wasn't asked, but that's a different story.

If I were writing the script, I would have cutoff everything after TOS as if it were "Pam's" dream and relaunched with the new cast playing the old as I don't like what TNG did with the few characters it interacted with (Kirk, Spock, Sarek, Scotty). But they say the script is good and many want to hold on to the the spin-offs so the easiest character would naturally be Spock. I'm glad the man is still alive to do this. Which character passes the torch is of little significance.

Objection. Assumes facts not in evidence. There is no reason to believe that part has even been offered to him.

From what I've seen he won't do a cameo or play anything else.

Good for you. You're about to get one.

Yes, one that can fight, roll on the ground, flirt, run, climb etc. It's what the character is about. I'm delighted to be getting a new Spock and McCoy too being that McCoy ..............

This contradicts everything you have said so far. Based on this argument, you should be insisting that Shatner is in the movie since Nimoy is in it.

No, I want Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Scotty, Uhura etc --- and I'm getting them!! I'm just getting 2 Spocks as an added bonus.

You'll get a new Kirk, but you still may not get what you want.

Unfortunately time does take it ravages on everybody. I consider ST fans lucky that Paramont, Abrams, Nimoy etc even picked up this project. I've faced the reality factor associated with fiction - real actors play the parts and they do age. Somebody needs to pass on the flame in well scripted way so I'm delighted. Had they resurrected Shatner a few years ago, I'd wouldn't care if it was him who passed it on, I'm more excited that anyone passes it on and look forward to the fun, adventure, wittiness, characters that TOS had with young actors again since it was so fun years ago - and I think it can be so again.

 

[Squiggy]

I'm sorry to bring facts into this, but you have to look at the math.

Shatner can't catch Nimoy in the pledged delegate count or the popular vote. Superdelegates have been trending to Nimoy since February, and there's no way the Federation is going to seat the Florida or Michigan delegations at this point. So it's just plain over: Nimoy will be in the movie and Shatner won't.

And in the end...somehow...Picard emerges victorious!

 

[M'Sharak]

And in the end...somehow...Picard emerges victorious!

Come on, Squiggy -- Nimoy wasn't even in that.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I'm sorry to bring facts into this, but you have to look at the math.

Shatner can't catch Nimoy in the pledged delegate count or the popular vote. Superdelegates have been trending to Nimoy since February, and there's no way the Federation is going to seat the Florida or Michigan delegations at this point. So it's just plain over: Nimoy will be in the movie and Shatner won't.

And in the end...somehow...Picard emerges victorious!

Jesus!

 

[byjoe]

Sam I would very much appreciate you to be my lawyer,it's going to be tough,and there will be blood spilt,but I promise you many classy strippers and wealth,are you still going to comic-con?

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

Sam I would very much appreciate you to be my lawyer,it's going to be tough,and there will be blood spilt,but I promise you many classy strippers and wealth,are you still going to comic-con?

Of course I am going to Comic-Con. And the strippers don't need to be classy.

 

[ed bush]

Ah.. it's good 2 back even if it's for an hour or three...

 

[Therin of Andor]

To this day, all this Kirk-Spock gayness can be attributed to Shatner's jealousy of the rising popularity of the Spock character.

huh? No, it was because a bunch of female ST fans chose to ask "What if..." after they saw "Amok Time" several decades ago, and wrote themselves some raunchy ST porn fanfic.