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The actress herself would disagree with you.
As Miss Masterson herself noted, Leeta is intelligent, and profoundly moral, with a solid, clear-cut sense of right and wrong. She also has a playful, fun-loving personality--a great deal of it, mind you.
Oh, please.
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The original poster seems to be confusing Leeta with Dukat. Easily done...
Always liked Leeta. Hate stupid random spammer chap. Absolutely love Chase, met her twice now and she's one of my all-time fave meets. Totally adorable and lovely, plus she actually helped me overcome a minor convention-related problem* that had been bothering me for a long time. For the things she said and the effect they had, I will never be able to thank her enough.
* - Even 'problem' was probably too strong a word for it, but it was something that was bothering me. It's a thing of the past now, though, and that's entirely down to her - so if I am ever lucky enough to get to see her for a third time some sort of pressie may be necessary...
Always liked Leeta. Hate stupid random spammer chap. Absolutely love Chase, met her twice now and she's one of my all-time fave meets. Totally adorable and lovely, plus she actually helped me overcome a minor convention-related problem* that had been bothering me for a long time. For the things she said and the effect they had, I will never be able to thank her enough.
* - Even 'problem' was probably too strong a word for it, but it was something that was bothering me. It's a thing of the past now, though, and that's entirely down to her - so if I am ever lucky enough to get to see her for a third time some sort of pressie may be necessary...
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Actors always talk a lot of nonsense about the backgrounds of their characters. If you check out extras on movie dvd's actors will come up with the most in-depth analysis of their blandest cookie-cutter characters talking about all their qualities you never really see on the screen or in the screenplay. What's important is what's on the screen and Leeta surely wasn't a very fleshed out character.
Writers can be lazy, and I suppose that's ok when writing for a sidekick's sidekick.
Oh, please.
Yeah, what was I thinking!
I see what you did there. Thanks.
Also thinking about it - didn't Quark's girls all have it in their contracts that they had to perform sexual acts on him (like wanking them him off by pulling on his ears) until Sisko stepped in and pointed that the contracts were invalid?
Edit: Does that mean Rom was stirring his brother's porridge?
Edit: Does that mean Rom was stirring his brother's porridge?
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Indeed. Leeta may well have been all of those positive things - and its even plausible (can't think of examples) that it was hinted at, but 90% of her appearances, especially after breaking it off with Bashir, consisted of jokes and hinged on one joke in particular (oh look the beautiful slightly dim girl is hooked up with the ugly goofy [smart] guy!).
The character often has attributes the actor puts into them..
It takes a VERY good actor to completely submerge their own personality in favor of the character..and most can't..
Chase Masterson's own personality came out in what little we saw of Leeta and it was obvious that the 2 are similar.. And I did become stricken with her character BECAUSE it was her personality that came out..
As to the original poster..one NEVER Godwin's a thread at the first post... it only gets worse from there..
It takes a VERY good actor to completely submerge their own personality in favor of the character..and most can't..
Chase Masterson's own personality came out in what little we saw of Leeta and it was obvious that the 2 are similar.. And I did become stricken with her character BECAUSE it was her personality that came out..
As to the original poster..one NEVER Godwin's a thread at the first post... it only gets worse from there..
Exactly. Had she been the chauvinistic stereotype her detractors persist in painting her as, I wouldn't have found her as endearing and likable as I did.
But of course, she is not. This may be hard for some to accept...but some of us can actually observe the subtleties actors and actresses inject into their characters, turning what was on the page into something far more, far better, far more complex.
She may have been initially planned out as a stereotypical "glamor girl" (which I doubt, considering her introduction, and her unconventional method of declaring her interest in Julian)...but whether she was or not, Chase's acting from the beginning made her into something more.
Like I said, I have issues with the character of Leeta, but she wasn't just a mindless bimbo.
I bow to your superior viewing skills which do come across as a bit self-impressed for no evident reason.
Do you really think you see so much more than others?
You see what you want to see and call it the "truth". But yeah, constructivist thought has never really been prevalent in your thinking. What Rush sees is the world's truth.
^(Sigh...here we go again....)
Pardon me...but in this thread alone, you have dismissed Chase Masterson's own interpretation of the character as invalid and as having no basis in reality, and you have taken what I said about Leeta's personality and interpreted in a most questionable manner.
The question, {Emilia}, is not whether I really think I see so much more than others.
The question is...whether you really think you see so much more than others.
Pardon me...but in this thread alone, you have dismissed Chase Masterson's own interpretation of the character as invalid and as having no basis in reality, and you have taken what I said about Leeta's personality and interpreted in a most questionable manner.
The question, {Emilia}, is not whether I really think I see so much more than others.
The question is...whether you really think you see so much more than others.
I don't really care about Chase Masterson's interpretation of the character because it doesn't matter any more than anybody else's. Like I said painting your character as deep and complex is something every actor does in interviews... even with the most bland character imaginable.
In a twist of Adi Preißler's famous quote "Wichtig ist auf'm Platz" I'd say: "Only what's on the screen is important." And Masterson had only so much to work with. "So much" in this case being a less then fleshed-out fairly shallow character.
You keep attributing traits and qualities to people for no apparent good reason. You did the same for Ezri Dax who's on your altar of idolisation since... uhh... forever.
Also I get bonus points for referencing obscure German football "philosophers".
In a twist of Adi Preißler's famous quote "Wichtig ist auf'm Platz" I'd say: "Only what's on the screen is important." And Masterson had only so much to work with. "So much" in this case being a less then fleshed-out fairly shallow character.
You keep attributing traits and qualities to people for no apparent good reason. You did the same for Ezri Dax who's on your altar of idolisation since... uhh... forever.
Also I get bonus points for referencing obscure German football "philosophers".
^Well, I shall refer to Ernest Hemingway, who is nowhere near as "obscure".
Hemingway said that a story is like an iceberg: 9/10th of it is underwater. 1/10 is visible, but the 9/10 is implied through what the novel's writer--or the character's actor--"does" with the 1/10 he or she shows, or is allowed to show.
In this case--yes, the material Chase had was limited. It was what she did with that material--her reactions, her delivery of lines, etc.--that shows the complexity.
I observe them, and make the connections. I see the 1/10, take what complexity I observe, and point to it as evidence of the 9/10. If my reasons are not "apparently good", to you...well, that's how it is, and I will simply agree to disagree.
But I do not see Leeta as a ditz. I see a reputation given to her along with the occupation of a dabo girl--which some seem unwilling to look past. But she rebels against that prejudice with attitude--her disgust at Quark's sexist remarks concerning "brains", for example...which I sincerely doubt a submissive ditz would take offense at.
And of course, her attitude in "Ferengi Love Songs"--how she makes it very clear to Rom that some lines just should not be crossed.
Her material is limited--but notable exceptions such as these, along with how she handles the majority of material--all of that assists in my respect for her character. Because she is not a ditz. She might be one to you--but that is, I strongly feel, simply because you are not willing to look for such traits as I have mentioned.
Hemingway said that a story is like an iceberg: 9/10th of it is underwater. 1/10 is visible, but the 9/10 is implied through what the novel's writer--or the character's actor--"does" with the 1/10 he or she shows, or is allowed to show.
In this case--yes, the material Chase had was limited. It was what she did with that material--her reactions, her delivery of lines, etc.--that shows the complexity.
I observe them, and make the connections. I see the 1/10, take what complexity I observe, and point to it as evidence of the 9/10. If my reasons are not "apparently good", to you...well, that's how it is, and I will simply agree to disagree.
But I do not see Leeta as a ditz. I see a reputation given to her along with the occupation of a dabo girl--which some seem unwilling to look past. But she rebels against that prejudice with attitude--her disgust at Quark's sexist remarks concerning "brains", for example...which I sincerely doubt a submissive ditz would take offense at.
And of course, her attitude in "Ferengi Love Songs"--how she makes it very clear to Rom that some lines just should not be crossed.
Her material is limited--but notable exceptions such as these, along with how she handles the majority of material--all of that assists in my respect for her character. Because she is not a ditz. She might be one to you--but that is, I strongly feel, simply because you are not willing to look for such traits as I have mentioned.
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^ Don't forget that in It's Only a Paper Moon, it's made clear that she wants to be a good mother-figure to Nog.
Exactly. Leeta has a big heart towards others. Call it "childlike" or "innocent", but she is intensely dedicated to a strong and clear-cut sense of right-and-wrong, which leads her to be very sympathetic and compassionate to others. Hence her constant, simple (detractors might say "simplistic") judgments on the actions she sees taken by Quark, etc.
For Nog, she deeply cares about him--and is eager and willing to fill in the void in his life, as his mother.
For Nog, she deeply cares about him--and is eager and willing to fill in the void in his life, as his mother.
I'd note that none of that precludes "ditz" or "slightly dim." Even her objection to Quark's comments about intelligence was played for comedy. And woo, she doesn't like to be completely treated as an idiot or property by her employer or her potential husband. I mean, this is nice and all, but do they ever do much of anything with it? Again... I'll grant you the relationship with Nog, but "warm, loving, and slightly dumb" is by no means an uncommon trope, especially for a mother figure.
Any other examples - especially after hooking up with Rom - of how Leeta was given more to do than just "funny sidekick to a funny sidekick?" As { Emilia } initially noted, the character was more (not only, just 90%) about boobs and jokes.
Any other examples - especially after hooking up with Rom - of how Leeta was given more to do than just "funny sidekick to a funny sidekick?" As { Emilia } initially noted, the character was more (not only, just 90%) about boobs and jokes.
Well, yeah. That's indeed kind of a redeeming quality. She really defeated the capitalists.
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