It's been a long time since I saw the Kelvan episode. If I recall correctly, the Kelvans were super intelligent, and had technology far beyond the Federation's. And even for the Kelvans it took-what?-a couple centuries?-to cross the intergalactic void.
Leave The Galaxy
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I would like to see a series set in another galaxy. No Voyager lost in space stuff though. Perhaps meet a race that has the ability to transport ships to another galaxy so the crew can come back to the Milky Way whenever they want.
I don't think some people quite grasp the vastness of the milky way, or how 3D space makes a trivial 70 year straight line an almost unlimited sphere of possibility.
I don't think that it is necessary to bother with the stars inside the Milky Way. Because it will be the same as always. Come to planet, meet annoying Alien, kick their butt, leave. What Star Trek needs is not to explore new random planets both inside or outside the galaxy. But make a new story model that no men has yet to explore. Make it fresh, make it full novelty, and make the story rich. Even if the story is just about moving around Earth and Vulcan, if they explore new concept of story telling, and go to no trek has gone before, it will be better than seeing same planet visit, butt-kicking the Alien, leave sequence every week.
Or maybe you want to go into hard science movies where every week we will seen the team find new rocks, new micro organism, debate about planet condition, talk about quantum theory, Seeing the empty Mars type scenery while the actors talk in science bubble about the amazing is the planet that they're visiting? every week?
Or maybe you want to go into hard science movies where every week we will seen the team find new rocks, new micro organism, debate about planet condition, talk about quantum theory, Seeing the empty Mars type scenery while the actors talk in science bubble about the amazing is the planet that they're visiting? every week?
Then what would be the point?
So when the traveller dumps the Enterprise-D in another galaxy, a section 31 team leaves the ship and gets left behind...
There are other galaxies and Star Trek has travelled to different ones before.
There are 100,000,000,000 stars in the Milky Way. Trek has visited or named about 1,000. The other 100,000,000,000 stars are stories waiting to happen.
“Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space.”
—Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
—Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
WRONG! You are correct that there are many other galaxies but ALL of the star systems and planets Star Trek has visited are within the huge Milky Way Galaxy.
TNG, "Where No One Has Gone Before."
If they don't change the story telling, a new galaxy isn't going to help out. That show'll have the same old stories. We find out humanoid civilizations are as ubiquitous outside our own galaxy as inside it, and so on. (That ancient race seeding worlds must have been all over, well, all places.)
If they do find a fresh new way to tell stories, they won't need a new galaxy, since there is still plenty of room in our own.
If they do find a fresh new way to tell stories, they won't need a new galaxy, since there is still plenty of room in our own.
Um, no.
"By any other name" had the Kelvans taking over the Enterprise and modifying it to go to the Andromeda galaxy. "Is there no Truth in Beauty" an untrained adviser goes insane and propels the Enterprise past Warp 9.5 and through the galactic barrier and outside the galaxy.
"Where No One has Gone Before" the Enterprise-D, assisted by the Traveller, travels to the galaxy M-87, I believe.
They didn't stay long but it is possible
Um, no.
"By any other name" had the Kelvans taking over the Enterprise and modifying it to go to the Andromeda galaxy. "Is there no Truth in Beauty" an untrained adviser goes insane and propels the Enterprise past Warp 9.5 and through the galactic barrier and outside the galaxy.
"Where No One has Gone Before" the Enterprise-D, assisted by the Traveller, travels to the galaxy M-87, I believe.
They didn't stay long but it is possible
You obviously don't know much about astronomy because there is a huge difference between leaving our galaxy and going to another galaxy. The Kelvins journey to Andromeda was going to take 300 years to get there AFTER the engines were modified to go much faster than normal. They didn't even come close to getting to Andromeda galaxy. In "Is there in truth no Beauty?" they left the galaxy but did not go to another galaxy (which would have taken hundreds or thousands of years to get to). In fact, it makes more sense in that episode that they were inside the barrier since there no navigational landmarks; if they would have been outside the galaxy, there would have been.
There's no need to be rude. I'm aware that there is a galactic void.
There's is nothing in Trek lore that prohibits going to another galaxy, since TNG did so. I don't see the need for the vitriol against the idea
No worries
I am not against the idea of leaving our galaxy but as others have pointed out, it is really all about the story telling. If the story telling is bad, it does not matter what the location is. Leaving our Galaxy would really just be the pretext to tell a certain story, just like how Voyager getting stranded in the DQ was used to tell a certain story or how DS9 being a former Cardassian space station at the edge of a wormhole was the pretext to tell a certain story. I think leaving our galaxy could be used to tell a great story though. The issue is that the story needs to be compelling whether the series is about leaving our galaxy or not.
If I were doing a Star Trek series about leaving our galaxy, I would use a huge "city ship" like the Enterprise J. This way you could have all the various locations of a city from restaurants, to schools, to shops, to sports arenas all on the same ship, for the purpose of diverse story telling. The series could essentially tell the story of an entire society living on the ship and how this society interacts with a complete alien galaxy. The second component of the series would be creating a truly compelling galaxy, different from the Milky Way. I would feature a galaxy that has been unified by a single advanced galactic "empire" but one that is close to collapse (think Asimov's Foundation Series). So our ship would be exploring what is causing this galactic civilization to collapse, maybe try to help it. In so doing, the ship would essentially be exploring the Federation's future when it will become so big, it too would collapse.
If I were doing a Star Trek series about leaving our galaxy, I would use a huge "city ship" like the Enterprise J. This way you could have all the various locations of a city from restaurants, to schools, to shops, to sports arenas all on the same ship, for the purpose of diverse story telling. The series could essentially tell the story of an entire society living on the ship and how this society interacts with a complete alien galaxy. The second component of the series would be creating a truly compelling galaxy, different from the Milky Way. I would feature a galaxy that has been unified by a single advanced galactic "empire" but one that is close to collapse (think Asimov's Foundation Series). So our ship would be exploring what is causing this galactic civilization to collapse, maybe try to help it. In so doing, the ship would essentially be exploring the Federation's future when it will become so big, it too would collapse.
I actually don't think you need to leave the galaxy to have a good idea for a series that takes the ship, crew and franchise in a totally different direction.
Re-tool the "Voyager" idea and turn it into a one-way deep space colonization effort. (Kind of stealing from Romulan_spy above me here). A massive ship filled with families and resources for a long 20 year journey to a new area (for whatever plot reason) for example could be fascinating. You'd basically end up with a mobile version of Deep Space Nine...a place where you can develop a wide range of characters and build on their interactions within a community. But, you'd need to re-fuel and re-supply along the way, so this necessitates a course designed to take you into systems with M-class worlds. And, you're still a Starfleet ship, so you have certain mission requirements and parameters (exploration, first-contact, providing assistance, etc) that could dictate certain stories.
I could almost envision a pilot episode that steals the same basic premise of "Passengers." A Starfleet sleeper ship that was designed to support the crew and passengers for only a few years on a 90-year journey has a malfunction and forces everyone out of hypersleep some 70 years from the Federation. Now, the crew and families need to figure out how to manage the situation with limited supplies etc. Do they keep going? Do they settle another closer system despite their orders? How do they continue to keep the ship functioning and supplied?
So...it would be like the best of TOS (pioneering/seat-of-the-pants stuff), DS9 (community in space, rich secondary characters) and VOY (headed into unknown territory / needing to be careful about supplies / repairs /etc) rolled into one concept.
And, you wouldn't need some convoluted excuse as to how/why you left the Galaxy to make it work.
Re-tool the "Voyager" idea and turn it into a one-way deep space colonization effort. (Kind of stealing from Romulan_spy above me here). A massive ship filled with families and resources for a long 20 year journey to a new area (for whatever plot reason) for example could be fascinating. You'd basically end up with a mobile version of Deep Space Nine...a place where you can develop a wide range of characters and build on their interactions within a community. But, you'd need to re-fuel and re-supply along the way, so this necessitates a course designed to take you into systems with M-class worlds. And, you're still a Starfleet ship, so you have certain mission requirements and parameters (exploration, first-contact, providing assistance, etc) that could dictate certain stories.
I could almost envision a pilot episode that steals the same basic premise of "Passengers." A Starfleet sleeper ship that was designed to support the crew and passengers for only a few years on a 90-year journey has a malfunction and forces everyone out of hypersleep some 70 years from the Federation. Now, the crew and families need to figure out how to manage the situation with limited supplies etc. Do they keep going? Do they settle another closer system despite their orders? How do they continue to keep the ship functioning and supplied?
So...it would be like the best of TOS (pioneering/seat-of-the-pants stuff), DS9 (community in space, rich secondary characters) and VOY (headed into unknown territory / needing to be careful about supplies / repairs /etc) rolled into one concept.
And, you wouldn't need some convoluted excuse as to how/why you left the Galaxy to make it work.
