... btw advent is gone - epiphanias is on already
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... btw advent is gone - epiphanias is on already
Hey, I just woke up. I already have an avatar cued for Epiphany. Though, technically, Eastern Christianity Christmas is coming up, today, I think.
advent is gone for (sic!) 12 days - you are talking to an ex-altarboy here
That's fair. My grandfather would be so disappointed *crosses himself in memorial*
If the standard TNG/DS9 Klingon had Martok as the ubiquitous example, I would have a higher opinion of them.
Martok was everything the Klingon species should have been, He was openly blood thirsty and war loving. And he was a talented leader of warriors, intelligent and calculating. He knew when to attack and when to withdraw. He loved his wife and formed his own house through his own deeds, instead of it being handed to him.
The respect he was shown was earned.
Thing is, they don't really seem to be related to the Klingons at all. Which wouldn't be a problem if this was a reboot, but them constantly saying it is supposed to fit in the Prime universe really makes watching them awkward. I simply can't see Kirk verbally sparing with this reimagined version of Kor, Koloth or Kang.
I should have been more clear, but his whole drinking blood wine on Cardassia Prime was just irritating to me. Overall, yes, I like Martok and he was a refreshing take after Gowron. But, it wore thin after a time.
I don't think that the DISCO Klingons are meant to represent all Klingons, so I have no issue with that. If humanity can have so many different facets, why not the Klingons?
Kol is part of the House of Kor, so obviously the intent is for them to be related.
And? Do you behave like all of your relatives? As we've seen with Martok people can be added in to Great Houses. So, maybe Kol
Roddenberry said after the appearance change of the Klingons in TMP that (something like) this is what they always looked like. Are we now being told that the DIS version of the Klingons is what they have always looked like?
Maybe at some point in the future, CGI will replace all previous Klingons with DIS Klingons?
Maybe at some point in the future, CGI will replace all previous Klingons with DIS Klingons?
Given the halting mush-mouth way DIS Klingons speak, such sparing would be hard to imagine. The fast back and forth argument between Kirk and Kor in the Organian council chamber would take up much of a single episode.
I liked it because it was a reminder that the Klingon and their Federation allies were very different people. Martok was celebrating their victory over the enemy with relish (and blood wine).
Klingons now eating the corpses of their slain opponents is a lot more than a facet.
That isn't new.
Martok is my favourite Klingon of all time because he earned the respect he got, rather than just being handed it, plus he has a love for his life and isn't always just prattling on about honour this and honour that.
You may not behave like them but you at least look as though your from the same species if nothing else.And? Do you behave like all of your relatives? As we've seen with Martok people can be added in to Great Houses. So, maybe Kol
Mileage will vary and all that
Which would be great, if everyone of the Klingons from the great houses didn't look like the new versions. Were they all adopted?
If they are the leaders or the elite class then there could be inbreeding, genetic engineering (more "Klingon" rather than Augment virus Klingon).
It's all speculation on my part, but I also know that we don't know everything about Klingon culture, especially in TOS era. So, I guess I don't have a hard time imaging explanations, until I hit that one that can't be explained. In other words, TMP
Klingons will know that inbreeding would lead to genetic defects and weaknesses, not exactly honourable to allow ones House to fall due to relations between family members. Though it would go a long way to explaining just what those things in STD are.
If the new Klingon concept characters were mixed with TOS Klingon appearance characters, and TMP Klingon appearance characters, that would be truly something to admire.
'Klingons as a multi-species empire, all the top species in the empire known as "Klingons."
Would it though? Not trying to be argumenative but I'm just speculating if Klingon genetics work identically to humans. Especially, given how many redundant systems Klingon anatomy has.
Secondly, given T'Kumva's emphasis on being pure Klingon it would not surprise me that he would go to extreme measures to make himself "pure Klingon."
I would love this.
Been thinking a little more on the scout ship with a small crew (to get the thread back on track), it would be a great opportunity to see some great diversity among the cast as well as look at some of the inner workings of a crew. Humans would make up no more than a third of the crew and we could finally have an alien Captain, as well as a more even split of character sexes (maybe even include one that is non-binary, I'd love to see a J'naii in Starfleet).
I think 15 would be a good number to include, with some being more prominent cast members than others (DS9 managed to have their huge number of recurring characters as interesting and diverse as the main cast so it is very do-able, it would be different as the crew on this ship would feature in just about every episode). It would allow for three shift rotation with five people working at all times, for example: watch officer (Commanding/First/Second Officer), bridge station (Conn, Ops, Tactical), engineer, medical/science, and operations/security (the field scout from Vanguard's Sagittarius).
You could have a couple of officers per shift with the others being non-coms, all of whom would have specialties for both shipboard duties and field/mission operations, so whilst they would have specific roles to fulfil there would be more fluidity with what they can do (e.g. the flight controller could be a rated sharpshooter with a degree in stellar cartography and a trained as an impulse drive maintenance specialist).
Being a small ship, it wouldn't be heavily armed, which meant it's not going to win every fight it gets into so the crew would have to use their guile and intelligence in order to get through some of their more tougher encounters with alien races. You could also get a look into every room onboard, with sets built similar to Serenity, allowing for a flow of movement throughout the ship, giving a sense of scale and how it all fits together and works.
I think 15 would be a good number to include, with some being more prominent cast members than others (DS9 managed to have their huge number of recurring characters as interesting and diverse as the main cast so it is very do-able, it would be different as the crew on this ship would feature in just about every episode). It would allow for three shift rotation with five people working at all times, for example: watch officer (Commanding/First/Second Officer), bridge station (Conn, Ops, Tactical), engineer, medical/science, and operations/security (the field scout from Vanguard's Sagittarius).
You could have a couple of officers per shift with the others being non-coms, all of whom would have specialties for both shipboard duties and field/mission operations, so whilst they would have specific roles to fulfil there would be more fluidity with what they can do (e.g. the flight controller could be a rated sharpshooter with a degree in stellar cartography and a trained as an impulse drive maintenance specialist).
Being a small ship, it wouldn't be heavily armed, which meant it's not going to win every fight it gets into so the crew would have to use their guile and intelligence in order to get through some of their more tougher encounters with alien races. You could also get a look into every room onboard, with sets built similar to Serenity, allowing for a flow of movement throughout the ship, giving a sense of scale and how it all fits together and works.
I think that's what galaxy class starship was originally intended to do and be - a universe ship that could repopulate Humanity encase Earth was somehow destroyed, but most people get solar system and galaxy confused and think that the (great) barrier at the edge of our galaxy is really at the edge of our solar system. We should have a story about leaving our solar system for the first time to reach the next nearest one that might have life on it. Where the great barrier is at the center of our galaxy is or the one from WNMHGB is beyond me. No pun intended.
