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Leave The Galaxy

This thread has sort of stuck in my craw for a week now and I find myself between DIS episodes and random ventures into Netflix to watch an ENT or DS9 episode here or there thinking about what a brand new, 25th century set, extragalactic Star Trek series would be like.

I actually disagree that it would be the same thing just with new words and aliens. I agree that it would take some radical re-thinking about what science, method, and narrative directions would end up on screen and the sort of "it's just doesn't feel like Trek to me" arguments would be very, very loud if it was done how it should be, but I tend to agree that it might be the best way to go about making a ST series that is set after all that has thus far been made.

From 2100 to 2400 now we've pretty well covered what human exploration of the Milky Way has unfurled for us. I agree that there is alot still unexplored but it also would pose the same challenges and be met with the same resources that every show has seen thus far. I think to do an interesting extragalactic Trek it would mean a MASSIVE ship, a completely rethought timeline of expedition, I'm talking like... the Federation has to find people who are totally ok with never seeing their families, homeworlds, and familiar places ever again. Make it a generation ship that essentially creates its own self-sustaining populace as it ventures further and further out. The command structure would probably have to be far more by committee, not just a captain and first officer. It would have to have several scout ships that are probably roughly NX 01 sized, and the Prime Directive would have to be seriously amended to ensure the safety and sustainability of the crew. I think at a certain point, pretty early, the Federation and Starfleet, would have to go out of contact. I think about that incredible scene in Interstellar where they come back after the 30 minutes/13 years on the wave planet and get the last video messages from Earth. Those are the stakes that would have to be on a show like this to make it compelling. Seeing how a diverse culture forms itself, not just operates within the form of Starfleet and Federation. I think it could be amazing, I just also think that anyone who made it and watched it would have to be really ok with it bearing little resemblance to what we classically think of as Trek. It could still be full of innovation, optimism, and societal commentary, but it would need to radically change the way it goes about framing those stories.

The question we would have to reiterate is what would be the purpose?

The moon landings aren't really a working analogy, for all the good they did they were about publicly beating a rival, sending a crew who would return and visibly achieve something the rival nation had not.

Sending such a generational ship would be more of a blind throw of the dice. None would know for generations what had come of such a ship, no rival shows any inclination to compete in terms of putting a crew in another galaxy. They would just fly off into the unknown to effectively never be seen again. Giving them means of communicating or travelling at higher speeds would partially mitigate that issue but also take us back to square one with the show effectively becoming TNG with new terminology and bigger numbers.

If a show were to revolve around competing with a rival power over some goal or other it would be far more feasible to have that goal be something closer to home, something that could be used as a strategic or propaganda victory. "Tin Man" or "The Chase" might be seen as archetypes for the way such a story might play out, as might DS9 having the Federation take control of the wormhole or provide a presence in the Bajoran system.
 
There are about hundred billion star systems in the Milky Way. If the Federation could explore one system in a day (and they probably can't) it still would take them over 250 million years to explore them all. I think there is plenty to explore in our galaxy...
 
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Why'd we go to the moon?
'Cause it's next. 'Cause we came out of the cave, and we looked over the hill and we saw fire; and we crossed the ocean and we pioneered the west, and we took to the sky. The history of man is hung on a timeline of exploration and this is what's next.
--- S. Seaborn
 
And of course they'll forget they had a working spore drive in 2256, making all these distances as quick to travel as this text takes to appear on all your screens.

Spore drive wouldn't work, as you need the star system mapped in order to use it. At a minimum, the system has to have had a probe sent to it, mapped, and data sent back before one could use a spore drive to insta-warp to it.
 
There's also time travel and alternative realities.

Stranded in the Alpha/Beta quadrant, a thousand years ago, ten thousand years ago. Visiting familiar worlds, looking for the means to return home without violating the temporal prime directive.

That could work, I suppose. I'd watch it.
 
If the Federation could explore one system in a day (and they probably can't) it still would take them over 250 million years to explore them all. I think there is plenty to explore in our galaxy...
Any story possibilities to be found outside the galaxy can be found within it. It's less setting and more production policy, simply don't endlessly write stories about the same short list of species (Klingon, Romulan, etc.) and introduce new species with new characteristics.
 
I think if they used the original premise of TNG and the Enterprise-D, and you had one single ship off in some galaxy without any backup, then I think that would be cool.
 
I think there is plenty to explore in our own galaxy. I mean, Star Trek already tried the "lone ship without any help in a strange area" and, love it or hate it, we got Voyager. Maybe it would be something that would work as a mini-arc in a series, I feel like there's plenty of themes, ideas and unknowns to explore here.
 
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There was the idea that one might find a stable wormhole that leads to another galaxy. There would, however, have to be something quite different about this strange galaxy. Perhaps AI came to dominate this galaxy, and are divided into factions? AI might be quite strange compared to forehead-aliens-of-the-week.
 
There was the idea that one might find a stable wormhole that leads to another galaxy. There would, however, have to be something quite different about this strange galaxy. Perhaps AI came to dominate this galaxy, and are divided into factions? AI might be quite strange compared to forehead-aliens-of-the-week.
1) Why does this have to be another galaxy? It could easily be in the still vastly unexplored regions of this one.
2) Depends on the writer. AI can come off as just as contrived and clichéd as Forehead Aliens.
3) Budget may require Forehead Aliens to pop up anyway.
 
Indeed, Wormhole, I agree. Nobody seems to come up with a convincing reason to have a show in another galaxy.
 
Nobody seems to come up with a convincing reason to have a show in another galaxy.
Because there really isn't any. Our own galaxy is enormous, and even in the late 24th century a large percentage of the Alpha Quadrant alone is still unexplored and uncharted.
 
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