Leave The Galaxy

Discussion in 'Future of Trek' started by Delaware123, Oct 9, 2017.

  1. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

    I've long thought that a good variation on the basic exploration premise would be to minimize the scale...set it on a roughly Millennium Falcon-scale scout ship where the main cast were the entire crew.
     
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  2. GNDN18

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    I think David Gerrold made a similar pitch in The World of Star Trek.

    It seems to me that the large crew was a vestige of the original anthology concept, giving any number of guest stars a lift on the good ship Yorktown:
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    And, for manufactured drama, there is little better than the lead’s impassioned cries of, “But I’ve got 430 people up there!”

    (As an aside, I always found it curious that Pike never once considered the 203 of his people potentially at risk. I suppose he had other things on his mind.)
     
  3. WarpTenLizard

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    Really? I LOVE "Andromeda," but my biggest peeve with the show was that I felt it didn't utilize the three galaxies concept. It felt no different than all the other sci-fi shows that took place in one galaxy. I don't recall the three galaxies being distinctive from each other in any way. Maybe I missed something though.
     
  4. JasonJ

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    No, you're correct. I guess in thinking back, they really didn't showcase just how different three galaxies could (should?) be. The ease with which they traveled between them also felt no different than any travel between star systems. I suppose my memory of that show wants it to be better than perhaps it was.
     
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  5. Stroudarian

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    That is an awesome idea. The producers and writers would be able to do so much with a premise like that.
     
  6. oberth

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    i won't offer abet against that
     
  7. BillJ

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    I used to be against the idea of leaving the galaxy. But, if it gets rid of the fucking Klingons, bring it on!
     
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  8. Stroudarian

    Stroudarian Lieutenant Commander Premium Member

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    Just out of curiosity, why the strong ant-Klingon sentiment?
     
  9. BillJ

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    Because they've been used to the point that they are a joke. They were overused in the spinoffs and the first thing Discovery does is give us even more Klingons.
     
  10. Stroudarian

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    Good point.
     
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  11. JasonJ

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    Same thing happened with the Borg, I feel... at first they were a terrifyingly unbeatable enemy.. then it got to the point where we had ships hiding behind theirs with research transport trips every day (the Hansen family), and the Borg really lost their scare factor in Trek... they were kinda intimidating but less dangerous than say, The Dominion.
     
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    I'd love to see something like that, with a small scout ship (something akin to the Archer-Class) out reconnoitring the area, blazing a trail for others to follow. It would be a great way to get to know a small crew, see how they play off against one another and get themselves out of tough situations without being the biggest, most powerful ship in the fleet with lots of resources and personnel at their disposal.
     
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  13. Tenacity

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    While it would be false to say there's nothing more to learn about the Klingon, to a large extent they (as a group of characters) are some what played out. Better to bring into existence a new species with different attributes to explore and have our hero characters interact with.

    DIS would have better (imho) if the opponent species were basically what was put on screen, but not labeled Klingons.
    Millennium Falcon might be too small, but it would be a interesting idea to not have anyone who was a no dialog background extra walking around. Everyone aboard would be either a major or minor character.

    If anyone aboard were say killed, it would have a long lasting effect on the crew's lives and their ability to perform their mission. Not just within that one episode, but for multiple episodes until a new important character was introduced on the show.
     
  14. Bry_Sinclair

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    A crew of 12-15 would be more likely, the ship probably more in line with the size of the Raven-type. So long as humans made up at most a third of those onboard I'd be happy.
     
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  15. WarpTenLizard

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    And for no reason beyond the name, if you ask me. I mean, '90s "Star Trek" had Klingons to further develop them as a fictional species for the franchise. But Abrams and "Discovery" just seem to use them because "Klingon" is a "classic Trek" word, and retro is in now. There is no reason the aliens that appeared in "Into Darkness" or "Discovery" had to be called "Klingons." They were a brand new race.
     
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  16. BillJ

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    I disagree about the usage in Into Darkness. They were in the movie for less than five minutes, they were part of a bigger story, not the story itself. But, that's neither here nor there.
     
  17. fireproof78

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    Not really. It set the larger backdrop of the state of the universe, and DISCO is further exploring Klingon culture.

    I mean, I'm fairly sick of Klingons as well, but DISCO at least got me interested again rather than just rolling my eyes at Martok or Worf.

    Also, if Abrams used them "because Star Trek" shall we equally condemn "red shirts" as well?
     
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  18. oberth

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    to what? getting shot? - honestly i don't deem that to be necessary.
     
  19. fireproof78

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    The whole "Engineer Olson" bit in ST 09 was done as a nod to the red shirt trope on an away team.
     
  20. oberth

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    you don't say - that was supossed to be a sarcastic remark (guess i need to practice on that)