But more importantly, what does that have to do with the question in hand? Congratulations on trying to divert the attention whenever you've proven wrong on a point!
Kira and the Bajorans are not showed to us as they begin the resistance. Everthing you've blathered about political reasons why resistance starts is entirely irrelevant. I think you knew that.
It seems that part of your problem is a hysterical desire to acquit family member(s) of pro-Communist leanings despite being members of the Partisans. First of all, it fails miserably because the decision to resist instead of joining the Ustase, or the Chetniks in the case of Serbs, was highly political. You're claiming that because a large mass of the membership were not Communists before they joined, the military after the war was not highly political. The same applies to Vietnamese Communists.
Which brings up the second reason your hysterical arguments are nonsense, that your family member(s)' political affiliations
after the war were the relevant ones. My guess is that they were distinctly factional, possibly to the point of emigration.
And third, any current political battles do not need to be fought by falsifying the past. Your need to imagine that Croats, Serbs and Muslims joined the Partisans without having a clue about Communism, or making a conscious decision to fight Fascism or Monsignor Tiso or whatever (
,) however useful it might be as political ideology today, does not make such a scenario plausible, much less true.
In any case, save the familial issues over the Partisans for home. The dream like politics of the Kira character may be especially appealing to you personally because they fit family mythology. They still aren't believable.
I have two words for you:
EPIC. FAIL.
A word of advice for you: try not to guess things you don't have a clue about. There's less of a chance you'd end up looking silly.
If you're so interested in my family history during World War 2, I'll tell you about it. This is very off-topic, but since you're so eager to talk about it, OK...
(WARNING: Everyone not interested in WW2 and post-WW2 Yugoslavian history, skip this part so you wouldn't die of boredom. If you do, blame stj.
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For starters: I didn't have any people of pro-Communists leanings, or even ex-Partisans in my immediate family (at least on my mother's side - I have absolutely no clue about my father's side, since they got divorced when I was 3 and I never lived with him). You got it hilariously wrong.
My mother was born in 1938 in Banjani, near Banja Luka, in Bosnia - which, of course, after Hitler's attack on Yugoslavia, its capitulation and division into several different territories, became a part of the newly-formed NDH (Independent Republic of Croatia). Since this state had an official genocidal policy towards its Serbian population, my relatives had to flee their land in 1941. This is the story I've heard from them: they were warned by a Muslim neighbor/friend the day before that Serbs in the village were going to be slaughtered the next morning, and the entire extended family ran away, except for the my grandfather's old mother and aunt, who supposedly chose to stay because they felt they were too old and weak. They stayed and were killed. Most of my extended family, like most Serbian refugees from NDH, ended up in Serbia (then occupied by the Germans and with a puppet government lead by Milan Nedic). My mother's family lived in Belgrade during the war, then settled in a town in Vojvodina for the next couple of decades, before moving back to Belgrade. Apparently, they were offered a house that used to belong to one of the ethnic Germans living in Vojvodina, but my granddad turned it down saying "he didn't want something that belonged to someone else". This was one of the (at the time) subversive historical truths I used to hear at home: the official history we were taught at school maintained that ethnic Germans left "on their own will" after the end of the German occupation; my relatives comment on this was "yeah right, on their own will -there was fresh bread right out of the oven on the table in the house we were offered". Even today, after the crimes of the Partisans right after the war have been written and talked about excessively, the ethnic cleansing of Germans in Eastern European counties right after the war is not a popular subject. Another story I've often heard is about the "democratic elections" after the war - it's common knowledge that they were a sham, and that anybody who voted against the Communist Party was likely to get a visit from the state security service (
UDBA): my grandmother said that she voted against, and that a local Communist official they knew told her how many voted against, and that "we have discovered nearly all of them, but we're still looking for one" and that she was terrified and felt lucky that he didn't know it was her.
My family was always anti-Communist, and when I was a child, I was used to the fact that there was the official "Truth", upheld by the state, the media, the school - which included an unquestionable worship of marxism, socialism/communism, the Partisan movement, and, of course, the late Josip Broz Tito; and then there were the unofficial truths and "oral history" I would hear talked about at home. My grandmother was very religious, a staunch traditionalist and monarchist with very patriarchal beliefs- for her, it was all about God and the King. She hated Tito and communism, and used to bring me to Church all the time. I even attended the equivalent of what Americans would call 'Sunday school' at the local church. My grandfather didn't care about Tito or communism and would constantly criticize them, but he didn't actually seem to uphold any ideology, he wasn't an atheist but he wasn't particularly religious either, and everyone always said that "before the war he used to despise King Alexander just the same" and that he was simply a constant "contrarian". My mother was a modern independent woman who despised communism and was well informed about political and social matters, as much as was possible; generally, she was just someone who had her own opinions without belonging to an ideology. My two uncles both emigrated to USA (one in 1960, the other in 1969) for economic reasons - i.e. they couldn't find decent work here. Actually, the only person with pro-Communist beliefs in my family was, hilariously, the elder of my uncles, and that was only after he became US citizen and got a cushy government job where he was making quite a lot of money. Then he suddenly discovered he actually hated USA and capitalism, at least if you believe the stuff he would write in letters and talk about when he came to visit, and that USSR is where it's at, since Yugoslavia was not a proper communist country, as he would say. But then, he was always a weird guy. He was never able to answer my mom's simple question: "Well why don't you go and live in the Soviet Union, then?"
My other uncle, who has also been living in USA for 40 years, was nothing in particular politically, then in the 1990s he turned into a right-wing nationalist - which was also hilariously absurd. (What is it with people who only became nationalists after living in other countries - without any intention of coming back?) Every phone conversation my mom would have with him would include him whining about the evil Western leaders who hate Serbs, and my mom trying to explain to him that, no, it's not all about the evil world hating Serbs, it's mostly Milosevic's fault.
The only people in my extended family who fought in the Partisans were: 1) my aunt's husband (a Serb from Lika in Croatia) whom she married after the war, and who had been given a rank of an officer (I think he was a major, but I can't remember) and a nice pension. He died young and I never met him; as for my aunt, she somehow turned into a religious nut, even more obsessed than my grandmother. 2) another relative - I think he's my grandfather's nephew or cousin or something (he had many cousins and nephews, I can't sort them all out); and I think that one other distant cousin was a member of the Communist party for a while after the war, but he also died before I was born. On the other hand, my grandmother's brother fought in Chetniks in Bosnia (who were not under the leadership of Draza Mihailovic, and not part of his Yugoslav Army in the Fatherland (
Jugoslovenska vojska u otadžbini) - and subsequently emigrated to USA, where he died years later, and I also never met him.
It would've been interesting to hear their sides of the story and learn more about these things first-hand. But my mother told me an interesting story she heard about this cousin who used to be a Partisan: in his words "you know, when we first went into the woods and started fighting in Bosnia, we called ourselves Chetniks. [Because Chetniks used to be a name of Serbian guerilla fighters in Balkan wars] Then when political commessaries came and started organizing us and talking about Communism and Soviet Union and anti-fascism, we took the name Partisans".
Just why did so many Serbian members of the Partisan movement come from the territories under NDH (which had a genocidal policy against its Serbian population), rather than the territory of Serbia itself under German occupation, where there was a clear ideological divide between the Royalists and the Communists (but where the Germans, only interested in genocide against the Jews and Roma people, were usually leaving the majority population alone, except when resistance actions would escalate - and the German army would conduct horrible retaliations, executing 100 locals for one German soldier who got killed)? Here's food for thought for you. Just which motivation is stronger? Ideological reasons, or matters of survival?
Now, in Bajor's case - before you got into another one of yours straw man arguments: while there was no official widespread genocidal policy by Cardassian Union, there were still acts of genocide like Gallitep, and there was oppression, hunger, poverty, slavery, rape and sexual exploitation, hard work in mines under awful life conditions. Sounds to me like they didn't need an additional ideological motivation to fight...
And, out of interest, what exactly ideology did you see in the Bajoran Resistance?
You're claiming that because a large mass of the membership were not Communists before they joined, the military after the war was not highly political.
Um...nope. I most certainly am not claiming that.
It's common knowledge that, after the war, Communism, and specifically, since 1948, Tito's version of it (and his own personality cult), became the official state policy which nobody was allowed to publicly question. Anybody who wanted to hold a position of political, military or economic power had to be a member of the Communist Party.
What I am claiming is that Communism was certainly not the reason why the majority of the Partisans started fighting - and Tito's Communists were simply using the situation to take the power. Whatever revisionist history in Serbia today might be trying to argue about Mihailovic's Chetniks (a huge can of worms there), it's fact that, by 1943, Churchill and even the Yugoslav King and goverment in exile were not supporting Mihailovic anymore, and were recognizing Tito's Partisans as the only important, legitimate and effective resistance movement on the Yugoslavian territory. They were hardly likely to support a Communist resistance movement out of ideological reasons.
Now back to Bajor - since this is what we were supposed to be talking about. Yugoslavia had the misfortune that arguably the only substantial and successful resistance movement it had was a Communist one. It's not like this was the rule. What about the French Resistance, for instance? It included members of all sorts of ideological profiles, as long as they were anti-fascist/anti-nazi. And why would Bajoran Resistance be any different? The only ideology Bajoran Resistance seemed to uphold was the rejection of the caste system, Bajoran unity, and fighting the Cardassians and the collaborators. End of story. It is all very simple and it makes sense.
On another topic, you assert without reason there was no Bajoran puppet military which provided a core of leadership for a postwar miliary, selectively manned of course by the (mostly lower ranked) officers with the "right" politics for the postwar situation.
And where did you get that info? From your head, as most of your "facts"? Why didn't we ever see that 'puppet military' or hear anything about it? We should have heard something about the Resistance targeting the collaborating army members! Furthermore, why would the Cardassians even need or want such a force? Bajor was an annexed territory under direct Cardassian military rule. The Cardassian military should have been able to handle things, and why would they want to foster a potentially dangerous Bajoran military force in their midst? And even if there had been such an army, are you suggesting that they wouldn't have been considered collaborators?
If the Bajoran military did not have any tradition, how can Kira possibly uphold the old Bajoran tradition of submission to civilian authority, coupled with disdain for civilians?
I don't even know what you're talking about here.
Lastly, the kind of perfect one to one correspondence insist on applying is a straw man standard.
The only real world military with any analogue to DS9 on this point, is of course, the Israeli military.
??????? Arguments?????
Or is that another one of your "Bajorans are Jews, because I say so" rants?
The on screen Kira is nothing like any conceivable person from the real world. Except that she's not supposed to be a scifi exotic like Spock or Data or Odo, but an ordinary person. That's why she's not relatable.
I think you have effectively proven that you know very little about what real people are like. Your complaints have very little to do with the real world, and everything to do with your extremely narrow ideas of what it's supposed to be like.
Leaving aside all the idiocy about Bajorans being Jews because they wear earrings etc. 
