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Latecomer To This: JANEWAY DIED?!?

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what about Jadzia in "The Visitor"?

I've sometimes wondered about that. "The Visitor" seemed to show a Federation largely at peace; this, despite the absence of Sisko from that timeline. If one wanted to be all anal-retentive about it, it would suggest that, in the long run, Sisko was not vital to the survival of the Federation, either in terms of getting the Prophets to help during the Dominion War, or his role in getting the Romulans to join in the war effort.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
what about Jadzia in "The Visitor"?

I've sometimes wondered about that. "The Visitor" seemed to show a Federation largely at peace; this, despite the absence of Sisko from that timeline. If one wanted to be all anal-retentive about it, it would suggest that, in the long run, Sisko was not vital to the survival of the Federation, either in terms of getting the Prophets to help during the Dominion War, or his role in getting the Romulans to join in the war effort.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman


I thought it was implied that the Klingons were the major threat sans Sisko. To the point that the Federation seemed to have ceded a lot of space, including the wormhole to them.
 
But the Federation wasn't under the heel of the Dominion, is what I meant. Jake, Nog, Dax and Bashir... all seemed to be living fairly leisurely lives, in what glimpses of them we saw; certainly, they didn't have the bearing of people who had spent most of their lives fending off invaders.

I wonder... if the Federation ceeded the wormhole to the Klingons, then it is likely the Empire which faced the brunt of any Dominion invasion. Two belligerent powers, one small passageway over which to fight... perhaps they wound up exhausting each other's ships and troops, to the point that neither the Klingons nor the Dominion are in any position to be a threat during the time period visited.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
I'd like to propose that in order for the books to stay true to the TV series then Janeway is really not dead. Yes...you heard me right. Now someone will say of course she is because she was killed in Before Dishonor and that is essentially what this whole debate has been about right? I know she appears to be dead in the books, and Pocket has even said they do not have plans to bring her back any time soon, but if she forever and truly remains dead she could not have appeared on the TV show as the much older future Admiral Janeway in the episode Endgame. So for all you Janeway fans who are concerned that Janeway is gone for good do not despair. Somehow Pocket will have to bring her back to fulfill one of her future missions.

Kevin

I hope that you are right here.

Semah wrote:

I thought it was implied that the Klingons were the major threat sans Sisko. To the point that the Federation seemed to have ceded a lot of space, including the wormhole to them.

Huh! When did that happen? And what about Bajor and Deep Space Nine?

Do I have to start re-editing my scanned Star Charts? :scream:

I had more than enough to make new Voyager maps since the original ones had so many errors.
 
I thought it was implied that the Klingons were the major threat sans Sisko. To the point that the Federation seemed to have ceded a lot of space, including the wormhole to them.
Huh! When did that happen? And what about Bajor and Deep Space Nine?

Do I have to start re-editing my scanned Star Charts? :scream:

It as in an alternate future episode where Sisko got zapped by some technobabble which was worthy of Voyager and we saw into that future. In it, just after a year after Sisko's "death" Starfleet pulled out of the B'hava'el system and the Klingons moved in and Quark got his moon.

Here it is - The Visitor: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/The_Visitor_(episode)

I've never really given it much thought to be honest, but I would have assumed that the Klingons would have done something so that the Wormhole would un transversable and thus keeping the Dominion out of the AQ.
 
I'd like to propose that in order for the books to stay true to the TV series then Janeway is really not dead. Yes...you heard me right. Now someone will say of course she is because she was killed in Before Dishonor and that is essentially what this whole debate has been about right? I know she appears to be dead in the books, and Pocket has even said they do not have plans to bring her back any time soon, but if she forever and truly remains dead she could not have appeared on the TV show as the much older future Admiral Janeway in the episode Endgame. So for all you Janeway fans who are concerned that Janeway is gone for good do not despair. Somehow Pocket will have to bring her back to fulfill one of her future missions.

Kevin

I hope that you are right here.

um... the way I understood it, was that the whole point of Old Janeway's actions in Endgame were to change the timeline and get Voyager home earlier than it originally managed to do... She succeeded and essentially negated her own existance (or, if you go by another time travel theory, was stuck in the "new" 24th century and died on the Borg vessel).

The whole irony, IMO, was that Janeway did it all to save Seven, Chakotay and Tuvok, and in the end died herself...
 
Semah wrote:

I thought it was implied that the Klingons were the major threat sans Sisko. To the point that the Federation seemed to have ceded a lot of space, including the wormhole to them.
Huh! When did that happen? And what about Bajor and Deep Space Nine?

Do I have to start re-editing my scanned Star Charts? :scream:

I had more than enough to make new Voyager maps since the original ones had so many errors.

We were talking about the alternate future shown in The Visitor.
 
I thought it was implied that the Klingons were the major threat sans Sisko. To the point that the Federation seemed to have ceded a lot of space, including the wormhole to them.
Huh! When did that happen? And what about Bajor and Deep Space Nine?

Do I have to start re-editing my scanned Star Charts? :scream:

It as in an alternate future episode where Sisko got zapped by some technobabble which was worthy of Voyager and we saw into that future. In it, just after a year after Sisko's "death" Starfleet pulled out of the B'hava'el system and the Klingons moved in and Quark got his moon.

Here it is - The Visitor: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/The_Visitor_(episode)

I've never really given it much thought to be honest, but I would have assumed that the Klingons would have done something so that the Wormhole would un transversable and thus keeping the Dominion out of the AQ.

Oh, I thought it was in some recent book.

I have to admit that I haven't watched all episodes of DS9, due to stupid policy of the station in my country which only aired season 1. After that, I've only been able to watch occasional episodes on borrowed tapes. I guess I have to buy DS9 on DVD.
 
Huh! When did that happen? And what about Bajor and Deep Space Nine?

Do I have to start re-editing my scanned Star Charts? :scream:

It as in an alternate future episode where Sisko got zapped by some technobabble which was worthy of Voyager and we saw into that future. In it, just after a year after Sisko's "death" Starfleet pulled out of the B'hava'el system and the Klingons moved in and Quark got his moon.

Here it is - The Visitor: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/The_Visitor_(episode)

I've never really given it much thought to be honest, but I would have assumed that the Klingons would have done something so that the Wormhole would un transversable and thus keeping the Dominion out of the AQ.

Oh, I thought it was in some recent book.

I have to admit that I haven't watched all episodes of DS9, due to stupid policy of the station in my country which only aired season 1. After that, I've only been able to watch occasional episodes on borrowed tapes. I guess I have to buy DS9 on DVD.

You really should. It's my favorite of the shows by far and I'd be interested in your take on it. It gets far better after the first season.
 
Oh, I thought it was in some recent book.

I have to admit that I haven't watched all episodes of DS9, due to stupid policy of the station in my country which only aired season 1. After that, I've only been able to watch occasional episodes on borrowed tapes. I guess I have to buy DS9 on DVD.

Where do you live then? I know it's some where in Western/Central Europe as you're an hour ahead of me.
 
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