On the cover I've seen for that novel, Admiral Riker has the same uniform.
Late 24th century uniform
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On the cover I've seen for that novel, Admiral Riker has the same uniform.
I've done a bit more looking into the STO uniform thing. I've never played, so I'm not that overly familiar with it. However, it seems like the Countdown uniform is an amalgamation of the Perpetual uniform that JD already mentioned:
Plus one of the original (pre-Odyssey) uniforms from STO called the "Sierra" uniform:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-S8DacYgyKT4/TpP6ZnNTd5I/AAAAAAAAAaM/GlTNYPwJjC8/s1600/SDU.png
(Which in game, apparently only lasted a year: introduced in 2409, replaced by 2410, making it probably the shortest-use uniform ever!)
The uniform that Jinn linked to here:
Is apparently the "Antares" uniform, which was in use concurrently with the "Sierra" uniform. (The images seem to indicate that "Sierra" is for officers, and "Antares" is for enlisted, but I have no idea if the game actually enforced that distinction.)
Now, interestingly, there were apparently pre-release STO screenshots released of the "Countdown" version of the uniform:
https://i0.wp.com/nerdvanamedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/startrekonline2.jpg
So I'm guessing that what happened is that when Cryptic took over the game, they modified the Perpetual "Conn" uniform to become the "Countdown" uniform, and this was planned at the time to be the uniform in the game. Countdown used this uniform, and it was released in January 2009. Then, at some point, the "Countdown" uniform was further redesigned to become the "Sierra" uniform, which was used as the in-game uniform when STO launched in February 2010.
Which means that, although the "Countdown" uniform was *designed* by STO, it was never actually *used* by STO, and ended up being exclusive to the comics.
If you wanted to fit the "Countdown" uniforms into a timeline that includes STO, you'd probably need to squeeze them in between 2404 ("Endgame") and the introduction of "Sierra" in 2409. Although Countdown itself showed them in use in 2387, so maybe they should instead be between the FC uniforms and the AGT uniforms... even though "Sierra" looks like more of a direct successor to "Countdown". ("The Visitor" doesn't fit well with STO, because it apparently shows the AGT uniforms in use as late as 2422... but maybe they were so popular with Starfleet crews that they brought them back after the "Odyssey" uniforms or something!
)
Plus one of the original (pre-Odyssey) uniforms from STO called the "Sierra" uniform:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-S8DacYgyKT4/TpP6ZnNTd5I/AAAAAAAAAaM/GlTNYPwJjC8/s1600/SDU.png
(Which in game, apparently only lasted a year: introduced in 2409, replaced by 2410, making it probably the shortest-use uniform ever!)
The uniform that Jinn linked to here:
Is apparently the "Antares" uniform, which was in use concurrently with the "Sierra" uniform. (The images seem to indicate that "Sierra" is for officers, and "Antares" is for enlisted, but I have no idea if the game actually enforced that distinction.)
Now, interestingly, there were apparently pre-release STO screenshots released of the "Countdown" version of the uniform:
https://i0.wp.com/nerdvanamedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/startrekonline2.jpg
So I'm guessing that what happened is that when Cryptic took over the game, they modified the Perpetual "Conn" uniform to become the "Countdown" uniform, and this was planned at the time to be the uniform in the game. Countdown used this uniform, and it was released in January 2009. Then, at some point, the "Countdown" uniform was further redesigned to become the "Sierra" uniform, which was used as the in-game uniform when STO launched in February 2010.
Which means that, although the "Countdown" uniform was *designed* by STO, it was never actually *used* by STO, and ended up being exclusive to the comics.
If you wanted to fit the "Countdown" uniforms into a timeline that includes STO, you'd probably need to squeeze them in between 2404 ("Endgame") and the introduction of "Sierra" in 2409. Although Countdown itself showed them in use in 2387, so maybe they should instead be between the FC uniforms and the AGT uniforms... even though "Sierra" looks like more of a direct successor to "Countdown". ("The Visitor" doesn't fit well with STO, because it apparently shows the AGT uniforms in use as late as 2422... but maybe they were so popular with Starfleet crews that they brought them back after the "Odyssey" uniforms or something!
)
("The Visitor" doesn't fit well with STO, because it apparently shows the AGT uniforms in use as late as 2422... but maybe they were so popular with Starfleet crews that they brought them back after the "Odyssey" uniforms or something!
"The Visitor" is the future that would've occurred if Sisko had disappeared in 2372. The current timeline is a different one, so it could have different uniforms.
When STO launched they had several 2409 uniforms, not just the Antares and Sierra, it was for customization purposes not lore.
In lore it appears Sierra is the uniform for 2409.
The All Good Things uniform was used in STO lore before the Sierra Uniform.
(They also have the Season 1 TNG uniform, it just isn't shown here)
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Mmmm, never seen that cover variant. Anyone got the full pic please?
Do you have other information that suggests that the 'twenty five years' starts from a different year? (It is worth noting that it is a narrative convention to identify when different scenes are set if using different time periods, so LaForge's dialogue is likely intended to do so).
It isn't from a cover variant, it is a photoshop. If you go to the wikia site for the pic you'll find this:
Image photomanipulation based on Riker's uniform from the book cover, and Data's appearance in "All Good Things".
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/File:Commodore_data.jpg
Ah, thanks. I didn't think to scroll down, because the frame stopped neatly at "No higher resolution available."
But is it a fan manipulation or is it one of those things where some licensed work uses photomanipulation based on existing images?
Those Siera uniforms look very cool. Never was a big fan of the uniform they wore in AGT. They had this worn out pajamas look. Maybe it's because they leaped forward in time and showed our beloved crew as old men and women. It didn't make them look like bold explorers.
It is labelled AGT because that is where the uniform first appeared, it is also named 'All Good Things' in game. It isn't saying the events happened. Though weirdly the combadge is just called 'Alternate Future Variant'.
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They're objecting to the 2395 dating as assuming that when they said it had been 25 years since they were last all on the Enterprise it meant that it had been 25 years after the present time as though the crew immediately broke apart after the present-day events in that timeline, not the fact that it was an alternate timeline.
Ohh I get it now.
Thanks for the info! I'm presuming that when you say "in lore", you mean that's what "really" supposed to have been the case in the Star Trek universe, whereas the customization options are just there because it's a game?
Just out of curiosity, do you have any other info on those several other 2409 uniforms? Sierra and Antares were the only ones I could find referenced by name, although each of those had five variants available. (IIRC, the Sierra image I linked to was Sierra-1, and the Antares image Jinn linked to was Antares-2.)
As Tuskin38 mentioned, I had assumed that they were just using 2395 as the introduction date for the uniform itself, not necessarily meaning that was when the future sections of AGT took place. (Although it looks like MA makes the same 2395 assumption.)
However, that's not the only dating issue in that graphic. It has the ENT uniforms introduced in 2151, when we know from "First Flight" they were around as early as 2143. It has the TMP uniforms introduced in 2275, which is two years after TMP actually takes place (or four years after if you go by the Okudas' seemingly inaccurate version). And it has the TWOK uniforms introduced in 2285, when we know from "Cause and Effect" that they were in use as early as 2278.
I was kind of mistaken.
There are are 5 Variants for the Sierra and Antares uniforms (don't take these colours as STO 'canon' I didn't customize them at all, just used the colours already applied)
Antares
http://imgur.com/a/xUX77
Sierra
http://imgur.com/a/sKg8E
There are also "Long", Dress and Tactical variants of the odyssey uniform (in that order)
http://imgur.com/a/GVnGJ
The Oddysey uniform from STO is actually pretty decent.
There's also the Jupiter uniform from that period, and the old Admiral coat.
We were just talking about the uniforms that launched with the game, but you are correct.
I always thought the Jupiter uniform did. I didn't start until just before the first or second anniversary though. The December before FTP.
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