Last Christmas Grading and Discussion Thread

[sttngfan1701d]

Matt Smith's Doctor was obsessed with Clara because he couldn't explain or understand very existance. I don't think he was romantically attracted to her though.

Yes he was. See the ending of "Nightmare in Silver" where he catches himself in a reverie about her tight dress. And he was way more touchy-feely with Clara than Amy. Also describing her as "perfect" in the "Name of the Doctor" prequel minisode (in that same minisode, Clara admits to falling in love with him).

I mean, of course he was obsessed with her in the sense that she was a mystery he felt compelled to solve, but there was attraction there on both sides. The writers made it as overt as they could without it descending into Ten/Rose territory.

Also, in "Deep Breath", he says: "Clara I'm not your boyfriend."
Her: "I never thought you were." (lie)
Him: "I never said it was your mistake."

And really, Clara was a good fit for Eleven. They did "work" as a couple. Moreso than that nonsense with River Song.

I do wonder if, when Clara exits probably at the end of series 9, will I view her more as Eleven's companion or Twelve's? At that point she'll have 2 series with Twelve, but she'll probably always fit with Eleven in my mind.

I'm saying that now, anyway. It could change.

 

[Starkers]

I think Clara fits with 12 better than she did with 11, but that's mainly down to the fact that when she was with Matt Jenna was mainly a plot point, at least until Name of the Doctor, I thought they worked much better together in The Day of the Doctor and Time of the Doctor though.

 

[DWF]

Matt Smith's Doctor was obsessed with Clara because he couldn't explain or understand very existance. I don't think he was romantically attracted to her though.

Yes he was. See the ending of "Nightmare in Silver" where he catches himself in a reverie about her tight dress.

If I remember right she slapped him for that because he didn't sound like the Doctor saying it. And in any event even in the truth field in The Name Of The Doctor he didn't admit to it, she however said right off that she fancied him.

 

[Ithekro]

I'm not sure if he fancied modern Clara, but I think he might have Victorian Clara. She wasn't a mystery or anything like that. He didn't even recognized her voice as Oswin's until she died. She did bring him out of his post-Pond funk, and did thing that were generally things he did (taking his hand and running for example). She figured out his plan. She was definately flirting with him. Plus there was her impressions of the TARDIS would caught him off guard twice ("smaller on the outside", and asking about the kitchen, which probably hadn't been asked of him since Barbara was onboard many hundreds of year earlier when he was just starting out with humans).

Though Snowmen was two whole Christmas specials before Last Christmas.

 

[The Wormhole]

Matt Smith's Doctor was obsessed with Clara because he couldn't explain or understand very existance. I don't think he was romantically attracted to her though.

Yes he was. See the ending of "Nightmare in Silver" where he catches himself in a reverie about her tight dress.

If I remember right she slapped him for that because he didn't sound like the Doctor saying it. And in any event even in the truth field in The Name Of The Doctor he didn't admit to it, she however said right off that she fancied him.

You don't remember right. The scene in question in Nightmare in Silver is right at the end of the episode, after Clara says good-bye and leaves the TARDIS for this weekly adventure, the Doctor wistfully begins a monologue to himself about Clara which ends in him excitedly talking about her tight dress.

Indeed, throughout much of season 7 part 2 the Doctor and Clara are continuously flirting with each other. Hell, an attraction to her seems to stay consistent among many incarnations, as in the good-bye scene in Day of the Doctor, the Tenth checks Clara out, then turns to the Eleventh and winks, likely thinking "looking forward to this one."

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Matt Smith's Doctor was obsessed with Clara because he couldn't explain or understand very existance. I don't think he was romantically attracted to her though.

Meanwhile, I thought they were fuckbuddies by "The Day of the Doctor" at the latest.

 

[sttngfan1701d]

If I remember right she slapped him for that because he didn't sound like the Doctor saying it. And in any event even in the truth field in The Name Of The Doctor he didn't admit to it, she however said right off that she fancied him.

That's earlier in the episode. I'm talking about the very end bit.

Meanwhile, I thought they were fuckbuddies by "The Day of the Doctor" at the latest.

I didn't quite get that vibe, but they very much had the "married couple" act down by that point.

But putting aside all the affectionate touching and kissing, dialogue, open flirting and the other small signs from both of them throughout series 7 (including how he jumps at the chance of playing her "boyfriend" in TotD), the most telling thing is that line from "Deep Breath." That pretty much seals it.

And all of that is why I thought Clara and Eleven were great together, even if their time together was brief.

 

[DWF]

I don't really think he jumped at the chance to play Clara's boyfirend since he aked "We are?" and really in her three didfferent incarnations she spent longer with Smith's Doctor than Capaldi's.