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Last Christmas Grading and Discussion Thread

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I can see where people are coming from in saying that Danny is a poor fit for Doctor Who, but I still maintain that the point is he’s supposed to be the counterpoint to the Doctor. He went on an adventure and the upshot of that ‘adventure’ was him inadvertently killing a child.

I can definitely see Moffat's intent for the character. And, the things you point out are true, real world considerations. My take is that it's not a good fit for the series but I different respect the other side of things. :techman:

One problem I think the last series had was to take a couple of characters and try to build series long arcs out of them where it wasn't warranted.

One is Danny. I think if he'd been a one appearance character he would've made his point more clearly and we wouldn't dislike him so much.

The other is Missy. The whole series long arc was too much. Her story didn't warrant that. After all, the people she collected during the series didn't contribute to the finale. The mystery behind her should've lasted an episode. One episode wondering who she was and then revealing it in the next.

Mr Awe
 
The other is Missy. The whole series long arc was too much. Her story didn't warrant that. After all, the people she collected during the series didn't contribute to the finale. The mystery behind her should've lasted an episode. One episode wondering who she was and then revealing it in the next.

I would have been fine with teasing Missy at the beginning of the season in "Deep Breath" and then not showing her at all until "Dark Water." It's not as if any of her intervening appearances added any more clues.
 
I keep rewatching the scene with Clara going though the Doctor's time stream. I can't find any scene from Castrovalva in there. Neither at the start nor ending of The Name of the Doctor. The only once I can see that is Fifth Doctor era is Arc of Infinity . Inside the Matrix. With that and technically the Five Doctors during Pertwee's drive in Betsy. There is a scene that I can't place of Clara in near total darkness with some faint lights in the background...right after we see her overlooking the Tenth Doctor at the Library.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDxPGQQyD4g
(from BBC America)

I had no idea what you were talking about until just now. I've watched that scene at least a dozen times and I'd never spotted the 10th Doctor in it before. I just figured it was a dramatic shot of Oswin looking over the skyline. I think the shot after that is just another random shot of Oswin (or possibly a bit from "Asylum of the Daleks"), not anything to do with "Castrovalva."
 
Returning to some people's dislike of Danny; is any of it because, when his character was announced, many of us anticipated that this would be a new TARDIS line-up redolent of Ian, Barbara and the First Doctor? An older Doctor, two teachers from the same school, one of whom would be a younger man, to handle the action stuff. And obviously, it all turned out rather differently. Are some people annoyed with the character because their expectations were confounded?
 
(And that Twitter thing never really made much sense to me. You don't need to be a computer genius to make that kind of joke about Twitter. You just need to be pop-culture savvy.)

The Twitter joke was carried over from the original drafts of the script, in which Clara was actually from Victorian times (she hadn't died in The Snowmen). Someone from the Victorian era suddenly making jokes about Twitter would be a significant plot development. Moffat left it in anyway, feeling it was "too funny a joke" even though, you're right, put into new context it makes no sense at all, really.

And there are times in Doctor Who when the actors play characters that are not the same age. Then 24-year-old Karen Gillan played a 31-year-old version of Amy in "The Angels Take Manhattan." Arthur Darvill is 5 years older than Karen Gillan, yet "Let's Kill Hitler" implies that Rory & Amy are the same age.

Rory was originally intended to be older than Amy. He'd have to be, given at the time of The Eleventh Hour he was already a registered nurse and Amy was at that time only supposed to be 19. Also, in Dinosaurs on a Spaceship he states he's 33 (which is admittedly older than Darvill's age at the time, and even older than he currently is, 32), to his dad who doesn't contradict him implying him to be correct. Amy is presumably only 26 at this point if we follow the established chronology, and admittedly by season 7 this does become quite the chore. Let's Kill Hitler is the contradiction to what in the other episodes.
 
When the Doctor gets rid of someone, leaving them back minutes after he took them in the same space time local, does he tell them how to adjust their birthday cakes or are they just grateful that no buggers know that they are actually 4 years older now than their birth date would suggest.
 
I didn't know the character existed until he appeared on screen, so no. :)

Yeah, while I don't hate Danny, I didn't know he existed until I saw him for the first time so any disappointment I have with him had nothing to do with prior expectations.

The only thing I'll say about Danny is this. I didn't want another Rory and Amy and I'm glad they weren't that. I also didn't want a Micky and Rose. I don't think it was quite that either, although the comparisons are closer. While I'm not particularly a fan of Danny, I thought he came off as human and something a bit different than the others. That difference was being kind of a wet blanket, but it hadn't really been done before.
 
When the Doctor gets rid of someone, leaving them back minutes after he took them in the same space time local, does he tell them how to adjust their birthday cakes or are they just grateful that no buggers know that they are actually 4 years older now than their birth date would suggest.
It's a miracle he gets them back to the same planet, let alone tells them any more information. Sarah Jane had a long walk home, and Ian and Barbara got back 3 years later than they intended to. They only discovered it when they saw the date on a newspaper and realized the bus fares had gone up.
 
Danny is the name of a child or a lout.

Dan is fine, I suppose.

Daniel has more than a degree of dignity to it.

Anyone answering to Danno should be shot on sight.

But at the end of the day his name is Rupert.

Hmmmm?

Are they subliminally blasting us with Harry-Potterisms?

(What a sack of dicks.)

Danny Radcliff.

Rupert Grint.

####.
 
^Wasn't one of the guest stars in "Kill the Moon" named Hermione? :eek:

(And that Twitter thing never really made much sense to me. You don't need to be a computer genius to make that kind of joke about Twitter. You just need to be pop-culture savvy.)

The Twitter joke was carried over from the original drafts of the script, in which Clara was actually from Victorian times (she hadn't died in The Snowmen). Someone from the Victorian era suddenly making jokes about Twitter would be a significant plot development. Moffat left it in anyway, feeling it was "too funny a joke" even though, you're right, put into new context it makes no sense at all, really.

Well, it would certainly make more sense if Clara had still been Victorian. (I'm still kinda bummed that they didn't do that.) The joke itself still works either way. It's just no longer a particularly significant clue that Clara's brain has been tampered.

When the Doctor gets rid of someone, leaving them back minutes after he took them in the same space time local, does he tell them how to adjust their birthday cakes or are they just grateful that no buggers know that they are actually 4 years older now than their birth date would suggest.

Personally, I can never remember my own age. I only figure it out by taking the year I was born & subtracting it by the year I'm currently in (or, more often, the year we just left since my birthday is in November). If I had no idea what year it is, I'd never get it right. (In fact, sometimes not even then. I keep telling people I'm 33 when I'm actually 32. 33 just sounds righter to me somehow.)
 
When the Doctor gets rid of someone, leaving them back minutes after he took them in the same space time local, does he tell them how to adjust their birthday cakes or are they just grateful that no buggers know that they are actually 4 years older now than their birth date would suggest.
It's a miracle he gets them back to the same planet, let alone tells them any more information. Sarah Jane had a long walk home, and Ian and Barbara got back 3 years later than they intended to. They only discovered it when they saw the date on a newspaper and realized the bus fares had gone up.

Hey you can't blame the Doctor for wonky Dalek time travel tech!
 
When the Doctor gets rid of someone, leaving them back minutes after he took them in the same space time local, does he tell them how to adjust their birthday cakes or are they just grateful that no buggers know that they are actually 4 years older now than their birth date would suggest.
It's a miracle he gets them back to the same planet, let alone tells them any more information. Sarah Jane had a long walk home, and Ian and Barbara got back 3 years later than they intended to. They only discovered it when they saw the date on a newspaper and realized the bus fares had gone up.

Hey you can't blame the Doctor for wonky Dalek time travel tech!

Got them closer than the Doctor could at that time. Though had they waited they could have gotten off around the time the Doctor picked up Dodo.
 
It's a miracle he gets them back to the same planet, let alone tells them any more information. Sarah Jane had a long walk home, and Ian and Barbara got back 3 years later than they intended to. They only discovered it when they saw the date on a newspaper and realized the bus fares had gone up.

Hey you can't blame the Doctor for wonky Dalek time travel tech!

Got them closer than the Doctor could at that time. Though had they waited they could have gotten off around the time the Doctor picked up Dodo.

Well while it was a Dalek time ship it was programmed by the Doctor. ;)
 
It's a miracle he gets them back to the same planet, let alone tells them any more information. Sarah Jane had a long walk home, and Ian and Barbara got back 3 years later than they intended to. They only discovered it when they saw the date on a newspaper and realized the bus fares had gone up.

Hey you can't blame the Doctor for wonky Dalek time travel tech!

Got them closer than the Doctor could at that time. Though had they waited they could have gotten off around the time the Doctor picked up Dodo.

Originally, I believe that Ian and Barabara were going to be on hand to observe the Doctor picking up Dodo in a very brief cameo, IIRC. Of course, that didn't happen for some reason.

Mr Awe
 
I don't know if the Doctor would have forgiven himself if he never got Ian and Barbara home again and instead they got killed like Sara and Kararina.
 
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