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La Sirena

I think the La Sirena is now my favorite ship in all of sci-fi. It's hard to get attached to the Enterprises, which were all basically Starfleet property and you had to join a rigorous military organization to board/command the Enterprise (any of them). I never entirely understood how James Kirk was said to love the Enterprise so much during TOS, when the fact is it was never his property as he quickly found out in Star Trek III. You also need an entire crew to manage one. At least Han's love of the Millennium Falcon made sense, as it was entirely his ship.

However, as much as I love Star Wars, I don't think I ever took to the Falcon in all my years watching Star Wars like I did the La Sirena in just over a week. Aside from its oddly placed cockpit (hardcore Star Wars fans will know what I'm talking about when I say I prefer the YT-2000 to the YT-1300 line the Falcon came from), it seemed quite boring with no entertainment other than dejarik. And having played dejarik a few times, both the version sold at Disneyland's Galaxy's Edge and the version with the classic Star Wars Miniatures tabletop game, it gets dull after a while. And while the Falcon may be faster than the La Sirena (the Falcon can cross a galaxy in one jump to hyperspace per Empire Strikes Back dialogue, while Voyager needs 70 years to do the same), the Falcon doesn't have Trek conveniences like replicators and transporters. The Falcon also has bare minimal medical facilities (There's no 2-1B medical droid aboard, Luke needed to transfer to a larger Rebel capital ship to see one).

Meanwhile, not only does the La Sirena have replicators (eat whatever you want) and transporters (beam in/out whenever you want, wherever you are on a planet), it also has a full-fledged holodeck. You can fly anywhere you want in the galaxy in perfect comfort, eating whatever you want from the replicator, beaming to whatever planet will allow you to visit, playing games on the holodeck, and having an army of holograms (navigation, tactical, medical, hospitality, and possibly more) to attend to everything. And Star Trek has universal translators that don't seem to be prevalent in Star Wars.
 
Aside from its oddly placed cockpit (hardcore Star Wars fans will know what I'm talking about when I say I prefer the YT-2000 to the YT-1300 line the Falcon came from),
I do prefer the 2000 but there is a 1300 variant that works too.
 
I'm going to ignore people actually saying they prefer the YT-2000 over the Falcon... :crazy:

The VCX-100 is my new favourite personally. Before that it was the YT-2400

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Love the Ghost. Love Rebels, now that's an example of how to make an animated sci-fi/fantasy show.

I think the La Sirena is now my favorite ship in all of sci-fi. It's hard to get attached to the Enterprises, which were all basically Starfleet property and you had to join a rigorous military organization to board/command the Enterprise (any of them). I never entirely understood how James Kirk was said to love the Enterprise so much during TOS, when the fact is it was never his property as he quickly found out in Star Trek III. You also need an entire crew to manage one. At least Han's love of the Millennium Falcon made sense, as it was entirely his ship.

However, as much as I love Star Wars, I don't think I ever took to the Falcon in all my years watching Star Wars like I did the La Sirena in just over a week. Aside from its oddly placed cockpit (hardcore Star Wars fans will know what I'm talking about when I say I prefer the YT-2000 to the YT-1300 line the Falcon came from), it seemed quite boring with no entertainment other than dejarik. And having played dejarik a few times, both the version sold at Disneyland's Galaxy's Edge and the version with the classic Star Wars Miniatures tabletop game, it gets dull after a while. And while the Falcon may be faster than the La Sirena (the Falcon can cross a galaxy in one jump to hyperspace per Empire Strikes Back dialogue, while Voyager needs 70 years to do the same), the Falcon doesn't have Trek conveniences like replicators and transporters. The Falcon also has bare minimal medical facilities (There's no 2-1B medical droid aboard, Luke needed to transfer to a larger Rebel capital ship to see one).

Meanwhile, not only does the La Sirena have replicators (eat whatever you want) and transporters (beam in/out whenever you want, wherever you are on a planet), it also has a full-fledged holodeck. You can fly anywhere you want in the galaxy in perfect comfort, eating whatever you want from the replicator, beaming to whatever planet will allow you to visit, playing games on the holodeck, and having an army of holograms (navigation, tactical, medical, hospitality, and possibly more) to attend to everything. And Star Trek has universal translators that don't seem to be prevalent in Star Wars.

Who cares about the tech? You're not needing to live in yourself. The Falcon has character, it's been through tons. I like the Sirena but it's done nothing to earn my love.
 
Who cares about the tech? You're not needing to live in yourself. The Falcon has character, it's been through tons. I like the Sirena but it's done nothing to earn my love.
If you say so. I think many fans dreamed of being on the ships themselves when watching the shows. And I've been on the Falcon (at Disneyland) and even "served" as engineer in the Smuggler's Run ride. As a Star Wars fan it is cool, but I think sitting on the bridge of the NCC-1701 (which I also did at one of those museum tours, can't remember which) was cooler.

The La Sirena stood alone against 218 Romulan warbirds until Starfleet arrived. That's got to count for something.

And as for the Falcon having character and it "earning" anything... Well, you do know what it was smuggling before Obi-Wan and Luke hired it right? :eek: I don't think Rios even at his lowest stooped that low.

The La Sirena has a feeling of freedom that the other starships in Trek just don't have. I could probably spend days just chilling in the La Sirena and the holodeck. In any of the other Trek ships, I'll probably hear over the intercom, "Ok, your leave time is over, please report for duty now."

Admittedly the only downside is that those holographic controls seem sort of clumsy and Picard himself was worried about getting killed. Doesn't sound like an intuitive interface at all. Also how was Picard able to take it so easily? Don't they have keys or ID checks on starships anymore?
 
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Who cares about the tech? You're not needing to live in yourself. The Falcon has character, it's been through tons.
It's an ugly POS and hasn't come close to earning anywhere near my love for it. The La Sirena hasn't either, but that's understandable still being new. The Falcon has had its chance-sorry, Falcon.

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Also how was Picard able to take it so easily? Don't they have keys or ID checks on starships anymore?
Have you seen security systems on starships? How many times did Data or Lore or Wesley take over the Enterprise?
 
The La Sirena stood alone against 218 Romulan warbirds until Starfleet arrived. That's got to count for something.

The scene did nothing for me, so for me personally, not really. 218 warbirds, was silly. May as well copied and pasted them a couple more hundred times.
 
That's why I suggested about 12 or so instead of 218. It says they're out to destroy the androids on Soji's planet, but they're also ready to fight whoever tries to stop them. On DS9, we saw several Warbirds in fleet battles.

I can forgive a lack of Trek knowledge by the new production team. But they should at least know Trek space battles are usually a small fleet of large ships, not a massive fleet of fighters like Star Wars.
 
The Valdore is whatever imo, but that TNG Warbird... :luvlove: Beautiful design, like most of the important ships in that era.

That's why I suggested about 12 or so instead of 218. It says they're out to destroy the androids on Soji's planet, but they're also ready to fight whoever tries to stop them. On DS9, we saw several Warbirds in fleet battles.

I can forgive a lack of Trek knowledge by the new production team. But they should at least know Trek space battles are usually a small fleet of large ships, not a massive fleet of fighters like Star Wars.

They should know that you're right, but just end up putting as much visual noise on screen instead in the hope it makes it memorable. It sadly doesn't.
 
That's why I suggested about 12 or so instead of 218. It says they're out to destroy the androids on Soji's planet, but they're also ready to fight whoever tries to stop them. On DS9, we saw several Warbirds in fleet battles.

I can forgive a lack of Trek knowledge by the new production team. But they should at least know Trek space battles are usually a small fleet of large ships, not a massive fleet of fighters like Star Wars.
Ironically it was established as far back as the 1960s that just one ship was enough to waste an entire planet. So 218 definitely seems like overkill.

Claudius (to Kirk in 'Breads and Circuses): From what I understand, your vessel could lay waste to the entire surface of the world.
 
That's why I suggested about 12 or so instead of 218. It says they're out to destroy the androids on Soji's planet, but they're also ready to fight whoever tries to stop them. On DS9, we saw several Warbirds in fleet battles.

I can forgive a lack of Trek knowledge by the new production team. But they should at least know Trek space battles are usually a small fleet of large ships, not a massive fleet of fighters like Star Wars.
But, this assumes that no one has changed tactics since a last major war.
 
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