News Kurtzman: Brother Sets Up Entire Season of Discovery

[DaveyNY]

I don’t know, it’s out of character for both and contradicts everything we’ve been told about Burnham.

What if it's the reason that Michael is the way she is?
She didn't start out as the perfect StarFleet Officer or venerable Vulcan.
At some point she went from being an inquisitive child to a total obnoxious logistician.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

I'm not saying here that any of that points to some kind of carnal thing, but SEX and some parts of the Star Trek Fandom, do rather seem to go hand in hand for whatever reason.

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[Henoch]

At some point she went from being an inquisitive child to a total obnoxious logistician.

She has Daddy issues. She thinks she can get fatherly love from Sarek if she acts the way he expects a vulcan to act.

 

[DaveyNY]

She has Daddy issues. She thinks she can get fatherly love from Sarek if she acts the way he expects a vulcan to act.

But Sarek wasn't the only one affecting her sensibilities.
Amanda and Spock were also in the house.
We've only seen so far, how Sarek changed her life in a major fashion twice and a tiny bit of how Amanda kept her grounded first along.
We've got a whole story ahead of us about how she and Spock interacted through the years.

 

[CorporalClegg]

The first season was all about her working through her parental issues.

 

[DaveyNY]

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I have a LIFE thank you very much.
And it was never totally devoted to Star Trek, nor was it steeped in maximum-overdrive nerdage.
(though there was quite a bit of sexual shenanigans through the years)

 

[Awesome Possum]

What if it's the reason that Michael is the way she is?
She didn't start out as the perfect StarFleet Officer or venerable Vulcan.
At some point she went from being an inquisitive child to a total obnoxious logistician.

Yeah, I highly doubt they had sex. The only only hint of emotion I saw from little Spock was jealousy. How some are seeing sex from that is beyond me.

 

[Tuskin38]

Even if they did, it isn’t incest, they’re not blood relatives.

Adopted siblings getting together isn’t unheard of in fiction. Look st Iris and Barry on The Flash, they’re married and have been adopted siblings since they were around 11

 

[WarpFactorZ]

I have a LIFE thank you very much.
And it was never totally devoted to Star Trek, nor was it steeped in maximum-overdrive nerdage.
(though there was quite a bit of sexual shenanigans through the years)

Well, that wasn't aimed at you. Rather, it was aimed at the "SEX and some parts of the Star Trek Fandom" you referenced (unless that was you??? )

 

[Lord Garth]

Kirk/Spock slash is at least inspired. Spock/Burnham slash is wanting to find something that's not there. I'd rather not see them go down the road of foster-incest. Not a good look for either character and I don't know why anyone would want to see it happen.

The writers said they feel they have to explain why Spock never mentions Burnham. I don't think they have to but, if that's the reason, I'd rather they not do it at all. And somehow, I don't think that particular answer would please the 1966-2005 Onlies they're trying to win over either.

It's just demented wishful thinking.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Even if they did, it isn’t incest, they’re not blood relatives.

Adopted siblings getting together isn’t unheard of in fiction. Look st Iris and Barry on The Flash, they’re married and have been adopted siblings since they were around 11

That's a bit different since they were older, around the same age, don't consider themselves to be siblings, and knew each other before Barry came to live with the Wests. Spock is a good bit younger than Michael and Michael has done nothing but refer to Spock as her brother or Amanda and Sarek as her parents. Joe even knew Barry was in love with Iris since they were kids because that was pretty obvious to anyone who knew them and Joe knew both better than anyone.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Kirk/Spock slash is at least inspired. Spock/Burnham slash is wanting to find something that's not there. I'd rather not see them go down the road of foster-incest. Not a good look for either character and I don't know why anyone would want to see it happen.

The writers said they feel they have to explain why Spock never mentions Burnham. I don't think they have to but, if that's the reason, I'd rather they not do it at all. And somehow, I don't think that particular answer would please the 1966-2005 Onlies they're trying to win over either.

It's just demented wishful thinking.

Spock is clearly into Kirk to some extent.

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Now I have another excuse to post this.

 

[Lord Garth]

Spock is clearly into Kirk to some extent.

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Now I have another excuse to post this.

Check this one out.

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[DaveyNY]

Well, that wasn't aimed at you. Rather, it was aimed at the "SEX and some parts of the Star Trek Fandom" you referenced (unless that was you??? )

Ah. My bad.
And just to be clear, I don't believe that they actually had sex either.
My speculation on the rumor is that maybe it had something to do with Spock's first Ponn Far (perhaps in his teens) and Michael attempted to Logically help him through it and something inadvertent happened that confused and embarrassed them both to a point of driving them apart.
It might even involve his betrothal ceremony to T'Pring.

 

[Mudd]

Having read the "I'm calling it, Spock and Michael totally boned" remark here on the BBS last week, I laughed out loud when I saw the show - yeah, that's the unmistakable implication of what she's saying.

Except, it's not. That can't happen here. It would certainly make their relationship interesting and complicated in ways that Star Trek relationships never are, but...no. Because Star Trek. That kind of behavior would be so far off the Roddenberry reservation that one or both of them would have to turn out to be from the Mirror Universe.

 

[Noname Given]

It was out of character for Lorca to be an over-the-top WWE cartoon villian, but they did that.

To be fair, that was probably all Bryan Fuller as remember, his intention was to move the show forward into other Star Trek era's each season - ending at the TNG era; so he probably was planning on revisiting a 'fan liked' aspect of each era (and each season) - so for the first season - he choose the Mirror Universe.

(And I agree with you in that I hated the way Lorca turned into a evil caricature once they had him back in the MU. Hell, I was disappointed they had him being from the MU at all - although that was set up as the plan from the start with his 'eye injury' being mentioned the first time we saw him. I REALLY wanted him to just be 'messed up' because of what he had experienced during the war/loosing his entire original ship/crew, etc.)

CBS doesn’t own everything in TAS. We know they don’t own the Kzinti, dunno what else.

So I guess it’s canon, they just can’t use some of it in future material unless they can figure out who owns what they’re referencing.

CBS has regained rights to the majority of what was in TAS. The 'declaring in non-canon' was more of a trouble avoidance issue at the time TNG was starting production because Filmation was still in existence, and they claimed everything done for TAS was theirs, and if (at the time Paramount) used anything directly - they would expect Royalties. Thus to avoid this Paramount issued the edict that TAS was not canon and NOTHING in it should be referenced/used in official Star Trek projects done by/for Paramount.

TAS was re-canonized once Filmation was dissolved after it's bankruptcy, and the rights reverted back to Paramount/CBS.

[The Kizinti are a special case as TAS' - "The Slaver Weapon" was a retooled version of Larry Niven's short story from his "Tales of Known Space" universe entitled "The Soft Weapon" - and he never gave Paramount express rights to 'The Kizinti' beyond that script; and specifically asked them not to mention them further.]