You say you "strongly disagree" with me but then you repeat what I say?
Kirk's death
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I didn't. You said that the TNG movies lacked epicness next to the TOS - movies - I disagreed.
Most of the TOS movies don't look that great on comparison, with stagey sets (TSFS), poor effects (TFF), or just futzing around some of the less interesting parts of 1980s SF.
What you initially wrote isn't in contradiction with what I was saying
TWOK, III and IV are sweeping epics because of the life changing circumstances that sweep over these characters. The FX are immaterial to that. But the FX aren't poor and neither are the sets with the exception of the fifth one.
Kirk left the Nexus voluntarily, so why would there be an echo of him in it?
The Nexus is so ill-defined some future writer could possibly say that Kirk and Picard left echoes of themselves regardless of how they left. There's no other on-screen work dealing with the Nexus to contradict. (Of course, the chances of any future work involving the Nexus is next to nil, so it's basically whatever your interpretation is.)
The Nexus falls into the same general category as the Guardian of Forever.
Some vague thing that does stuff. A contrivence they hustled up so they can get on with writing the story they want to write.
Some vague thing that does stuff. A contrivence they hustled up so they can get on with writing the story they want to write.
Impossible??? This is Star Trek, and its not as if JJ Abrams is keeping anything Berman and Co. did? <Joking>
I wish I could forget TNG films ever existed; they were dreadful. Red Letter Media has perfectly addressed what I thought about those horrible films.
Regeneration was a head scratcher of an episode, Dr. Plox figured a way to not be a Borg while Doctors and Engineers 200 years later could never have thought of, but was never a medical journal of Plox to be read in the 24th century. These kinds of episodes anger me because it damages and alters stuff I know and makes Phlox appear smarter and better than heroes I knew in TNG and Voyager.
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I always figured the entire incident was buried by Starfleet Intelligence. The last thing a fledgling space program needs is for the public to know about cybernetic zombies running around the neighborhood.
It still bothers me Worf and Data could not reconfigure the shields; I mean these are specialists in their positions and they couldnt make adjustments??? The writers simply wanted to destroy the Enterprise and couldn't think of another way. I loved the Enterprise D. I'm glad Red Letter Media addressed how horrible that film was.
Or Archer and crew had 1 last mission and completely erased their existence to Star Trek, since there's no record of them in TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, or even the movies... well it seems Into Darkness had a model of Enterprise in one of the scenes.
Never thought of that.
It's true of course. Though...there would also be two Picards unless he overwrites himself.
Try the bring back kirk pseudo trailer on YouTube. I think you'll like it.
Phlox could have published in a Denobulan journal, which at the time, could not be redacted by SI. Section 31 is another matter.
They would have had to of reconfigured the shield in such a way that not only wouldn't the sister know the new configuration, but neither would LaForge.
All LaForge would have to do is sweep his gaze across the room and the sisters would have been able to freeze frame the correct display to know the latest configuration, and program their torpedoes to penitrate it.
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Is there a point in trying to make sense of bad writing, and then reference scenarios from Voy & DS9 which were also bad writing?
Kirk will always be alive as long as we ignore the terrible movie Star Trek Generations.
Kirk will always be alive as long as we ignore the terrible movie Star Trek Generations.
Sadly, generations is a great movie...
Until Picard goes into the Nexus.
If they had aimed for a longer film, and actually popped the captains out earlier in the timeline, maybe even gone for a Prisoner of Azkaban approach to time travel, or at the very least putting Kirk back on a starship (the best thing about his opening death) then they could have avoided the rubbish death scene, that they reshot because it was flawed, then it would be better.
The film up to that point has some of the best cinematography and effects work in trek. The story holds pretty much until we end up in the Nexus.
Kirk dying in a fist fight in some sand makes some sense, as does the self sacrifice and knowing he will die. Getting shot in the back or under a shoddy bridge, does not make much sense, unless there is emphasis on the banality of a hero dying that way. Which there is none.
They reshot the rubbish death scene so it would be better, and it was still rubbish. The only way to have made it better would have been for Kirk to not have died.
For th e themes and point of the movie, he has to die. But not like that. He probably should have saved Picards enterprise somehow, but that means changing the last third rather than the last scene. A one man shuttle suicide run into something a man more familiar with ancient birds of prey would be able to do perhaps.
The Nexus was a mess. GEN wasted a lot of potential.
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