Kirk's child

[Nyotarules]

And on the flip side, you have the folks who think that a few, relatively chaste kisses in the new movies somehow constitute Spock and Uhura making out all over the Enterprise.

Seriously, the way some people talk, you'd think that Spock and Uhura were pawing each other in every other scene!

Every Vulcan deserves a good pawing

 

[Tenacity]

And on the flip side, you have the folks who think that a few, relatively chaste kisses in the new movies somehow constitute Spock and Uhura making out all over the Enterprise.

No different than Sulu hugging a friend in the last movie, and fan thinking that the two of them were long term relationship partners with a child.

 

[Thowra]

So you really expect adults to live on a tin can in space and live a celibate life for 5 years? LOL

No, of course not, but they can do it off screen and not bother me with it or the fall out.

Like all the other boring stuff happens off screen and we get to watch the fun stuff.

 

[Thowra]

This is where I once again point out that the very first Trek episode ever filmed focused on the relationship between Pike and Vina, that the very first episode that ever aired involved McCoy running into a lost love (or so he believed), and that the very first Trek movie ended with Decker and Ilia having some sort of cosmic orgasm.

Romance and relationships have been part of Star Trek since Day One.

Yes, but they are one offs more or less. None of the long arcs we get nowadays. Bit of romance that can easily be ignored if needs be. None of the angst and constant, constant revisiting...

 

[Thowra]

Had the McCoy episode been written today, he'd probably be angst-ing over what happened in that episode for the next 15 episodes

 

[F. King Daniel]

Had the McCoy episode been written today, he'd probably be angst-ing over what happened in that episode for the next 15 episodes

Better than a reset button where none of it mattered, IMO

 

[Thowra]

Better than a reset button where none of it mattered, IMO

IDK just because it doesn't happen on screen doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Your head cannon can sort that out. I want to see exploration not the psychologist's couch.

 

[F. King Daniel]

IDK just because it doesn't happen on screen doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Your head cannon can sort that out. I want to see exploration not the psychologist's couch.

Whereas I love TOS for the characters, so I want to see how the stuff they encounter in space affects them.

 

[Greg Cox]

No, of course not, but they can do it off screen and not bother me with it or the fall out.

Like all the other boring stuff happens off screen and we get to watch the fun stuff.

I don't know. You seem to be working from the assumption that romances and relationship drama are inherently "boring stuff" that should be ignored as much as possible, but I'm not sure that's the case. The Pike/Vina drama for instance, is pretty much the heart of "The Cage," not a "boring" annoyance to fast-forward through in order to get to "the fun stuff."

STAR TREK isn't just about starships and space exploration, although those are definitely part of its appeal. It's also about people and their personal conflicts and dramas, including, inevitably, frequent doses of romance and emotional angst.

Heck, "City on the Edge of Forever", which is possibly the most celebrated TREK episode of all time, is . . . a tragic love story. Should they have cut Edith Keeler out of that episode because romantic stuff is boring?

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

These are essentially stories that have been told many different places in many different ways. Searching for your identity/destiny, giving your life for others, the significance of your actions today for tomorrow, exposing corruption and hypocrisy, facing danger and the unknown. Space and its many locales provide the backdrop against which we project our needs, desires, and fears.

 

[Thowra]

Whereas I love TOS for the characters, so I want to see how the stuff they encounter in space affects them.

Yes, it's the same for me. But what I like best is being given the germ of an idea and filling the rest in myself. I don't want everything spoon feeding to me.

Like the original Carol/Kirk storyline. I can fill in my own backstory

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

But what I like best is being given the germ of an idea and filling the rest in myself.

So you'd rather be free to dream and imagine your own head stories than have each detail imposed on you? Fair enough.

There's always plenty of room for mystery and further adventures that way.

 

[Thowra]

Whereas I love TOS for the characters, so I want to see how the stuff they encounter in space affects them.

I don't know. You seem to be working from the assumption that romances and relationship drama are inherently "boring stuff" that should be ignored as much as possible, but I'm not sure that's the case. The Pike/Vina drama for instance, is pretty much the heart of "The Cage," not a "boring" annoyance to fast-forward through in order to get to "the fun stuff."

STAR TREK isn't just about starships and space exploration, although those are definitely part of its appeal. It's also about people and their personal conflicts and dramas, including, inevitably, frequent doses of romance and emotional angst.

Heck, "City on the Edge of Forever", which is possibly the most celebrated TREK episode of all time, is . . . a tragic love story. Should they have cut Edith Keeler out of that episode because romantic stuff is boring?

And it's the balance between the two that makes TOS for me. As opposed to later films where the balance it tipped towards angst and romance and family stuff.

I enjoy COTEOF, but have This type of episode every week and it would get boring.

 

[Thowra]

So you'd rather be free to dream and imagine your own head stories than have each detail imposed on you? Fair enough.

There's always plenty of room for mystery and further adventures that way.

Exactly!

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

That said, that is precisely what the other person is doing when they tell the story; giving you their version. The only difference is, because of a little thing called "canon", their version becomes the "true" story.

Maybe they'll pull out the tired old "it's your child" trick then, with Kirk being presented with a son or daughter that could have been (but actually isn't) his.

 

[Thowra]

I'm having a load of trouble typing / lag etc due to ads, so might need to give in soon.

Of course, what you say is correct. What it comes down to it whether writers take something the way you enjoy it or not. If you don't like what they are doing, you lose interest in the series.

And of course, we all have different tastes. I suppose when you have something you love, you hope it continues the way you love it and doesn't change direction.

TNG was obviously more family oriented, which is why some people prefer this series, other series have different takes, which is which some people prefer some series over others.

My concern comes from the fact that the reboot is different, yet can't break free. As it's a reboot, they might as well break free. Going over the Carol Marcus stuff just feels like it's getting bogged down with the old timeline. It doesn't seem to know whether it's a totally new series, or having to follow everything that happened before. They've rebooted, they could have a whole new universe, yet they are stuck with Khan and now there's talk about rehashing the David stuff (albeit never seen before)

 

[Nyotarules]

James Kirk you are NOT the Daddy!

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Simply based on the fact that this Kirk is a different person, having never known his dad, people wonder if he might be more interested in giving a child what he never had or, alternately, not knowing how to be a good dad, flee his kid for that reason rather than why he did in the prime universe. I guess if nuSpock can follow his emotions more than Spock Prime did as a young man (although in that case, Prime tells him to), Kirk can do things differently from prime Kirk too.

 

[Apparition B5]

Kirk & Jaylah love child. Calling it now.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

No different than Sulu hugging a friend in the last movie, and fan thinking that the two of them were long term relationship partners with a child.

Sulu and Ben weren't just friends, they were married, and everyone knows it. Not only because all of the publicity said they were, not only because (as they departed the scene) they had arms around each other, but also because Ben was played by Doug Jung, who WROTE the damn thing.