You have no idea how that has brightened up my day at work.
Im physically laughing at the moment.
Kirk does NOT screw his crew
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You have no idea how that has brightened up my day at work.
Im physically laughing at the moment.
The scene i'm not sure i agree with is the "Uhura bra scene".Now before some "immature" trie to immasculate me, hear me out.I've been a fan of Trek since the original series and have loved ALMOST all Trek movies and series for their own very different reasons with a few notable exceptions which i'll keep to myself.The main reason i think the Uhara scene is in poor taste is that imo it cheapens the character.Kirk was always supposed to be a womaniser(even though in TOS all we got to see was him putting his boots on AFTER a "romantic" interlude(we had to use our imaginations in those days kiddies).Is/was
it REALLY necessary to include a scene of Uhura disrobing?That's all i am asking.Sure, it will likely have little bearing on the quality/plot/outcome of the film, but was it REALLY necessary(in the same way as the Nichols' Uhura "Feather" scene from Trek 5 (i believe)!?
Call me old fashioned, but i simply don't think the character needed to be sexualized in any way for the character to have a notable screen prescense(at least i'm hoping not).The Kirk character has such reasons for scenes of the like, but Uhura? I think not.
it REALLY necessary to include a scene of Uhura disrobing?That's all i am asking.Sure, it will likely have little bearing on the quality/plot/outcome of the film, but was it REALLY necessary(in the same way as the Nichols' Uhura "Feather" scene from Trek 5 (i believe)!?
Call me old fashioned, but i simply don't think the character needed to be sexualized in any way for the character to have a notable screen prescense(at least i'm hoping not).The Kirk character has such reasons for scenes of the like, but Uhura? I think not.
FWIW, the set in which both of those scenes seem to take place is very much in the spirit of the Enterprise crew cabins of TOS, right down to the dividing grillework.
And the surprising fact is that Kirk
a) never verifiably had sex with anybody in TOS unless under duress or out of his mind, and
b) turned down numerous opportunities for sex with fellow crew, and with non-crew.
In the earliest episodes, he was written as being uncomfortable with female coworkers - a bit of characterization carried over from when the leading character used to be Christopher Pike. In current retrospect, we could argue that this was because he was such a horny dog that he couldn't trust himself. Perhaps he did err once or thrice in his earlier years, including the ones depicted in STXI. But the end would still be the same: Kirk showing inhuman restraint with his crew.
Timo Saloniemi
And the surprising fact is that Kirk
a) never verifiably had sex with anybody in TOS unless under duress or out of his mind, and
b) turned down numerous opportunities for sex with fellow crew, and with non-crew.
In the earliest episodes, he was written as being uncomfortable with female coworkers - a bit of characterization carried over from when the leading character used to be Christopher Pike. In current retrospect, we could argue that this was because he was such a horny dog that he couldn't trust himself. Perhaps he did err once or thrice in his earlier years, including the ones depicted in STXI. But the end would still be the same: Kirk showing inhuman restraint with his crew.
Timo Saloniemi
CaptainHawk1
Commodore
Riiiiight... because TOS never sexualizes any female characters.
OOOOOOOH... I get it now... so unless we actually saw penetration, we're not to assume that Kirk has sex with any of those women, correct? It all makes perfect sense now.
-Shawn
Actually, I think it does. Kirk never indicated he bedded his colleagues, which counts for "lack of evidence". But he also indicated he was hesistant to do so, which counts for "evidence". He said he doesn't screw his colleagues, and we never saw him do so, so odds are that he didn't.
I mean, in the real world (as opposed to common fantasies), the odds that man X has had sex with woman Y are low indeed, unless there are some very special circumstances. Such as X being married to Y, or both being in the same party and both having a history of having sex with strangers, or something. Nothing of that sort applies to Kirk and his crewwomen.
Timo Saloniemi
I mean, in the real world (as opposed to common fantasies), the odds that man X has had sex with woman Y are low indeed, unless there are some very special circumstances. Such as X being married to Y, or both being in the same party and both having a history of having sex with strangers, or something. Nothing of that sort applies to Kirk and his crewwomen.
Timo Saloniemi
Lucky girl...
@ Chris Pine.My boyfriend who doesn't even like science fiction said he'd see the movie with me just because "Kirk is hot". Hopefully, even though shallow, it brings in a lot of moviegoers.
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Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I don't recall Kirk specifically saying he wasn't going to pursue people on the ship. I don't remember him being that introspective about much of anything until the movies in fact. Picard on the otherhand wrestled with the psychological ethics involved and still had a relationship with the woman from Stellar Cartography.
The above, especially if it is taken from Pike's characterization, seems more like a sexist general hesitation toward women in the workplace than a discomfort at being able to control oneself around them. You say he turned down the advances of his crew. Could you cite some examples, preferably of situations not involving someone who's somehow intoxicated or under some kind of mind-control?
RobertScorpio
Pariah
And even if he is boffing Uhura, before she was part of his crew, then I am all for it...You expect him to pass up on that fine piece of ass??? Not me...Who knows, maybe the same/sex fans will get a chekov/sulu scene down the line..you never know..
Rob
Rob
He didn't react favorably to Rand's pleas that she be treated as a sex object in "Miri", and it was made clear in "Dagger of the Mind" that he turned down Noel's advances at the Christmas party. Neither of those featured Kirk under mind control or in an otherwise abnormal situation, although Rand was somewhat distressed when making the confession of lusting after her Captain, and Noel was being playful in a rare situation that allowed her to be that.
In contrast, the situations where Kirk (and not, say, Kirok) seduces women from outside his crew are almost all based on the idea that Kirk is protecting his crew by manipulating those women. The one possible exception would be "Requiem for Metusaleah", but that would be an exception rather than a rule. And it can also be explained away as a bit of manipulation, if need be. So one might argue in general that Kirk was uninterested in having actual romances during the TOS mission. Perhaps he thought that five years of celibacy would be fun and beneficial? Or perhaps he used the early holodecks a lot, and preferred them to live women?
Of course, the hesitation originally written into "The Cage" and "Corbomite Maneuver" was basically sexist (as many people back then were and today are very fond of sexism). The idea that it could be explained in the context of Kirk being a horndog is just something that fits the supposedly upcoming STXI pseudofacts.
Timo Saloniemi
RobertScorpio
Pariah
What about Kirk's return from MIRROR MIRROR and finding that hot chic's counterpart serving on his ship? As I recall, he gets up and walks over to her...as if to start 'picking up on her'...
Rob
Rob
Trekmovie.com seems to confirm that this is indeed not an Orion slave woman, but rather an Orion cadet. In my opinion it's about time to abandon this stupid onesided portrayal of a whole species. 
Trekmovie.com seems to confirm that this is indeed not an Orion slave woman, but rather an Orion cadet. In my opinion it's about time to abandon this stupid onesided portrayal of a whole species.
Woo Hoo!
Yet another glimmer of hope for the movie!
But that's what Star Trek is all about!Trekmovie.com seems to confirm that this is indeed not an Orion slave woman, but rather an Orion cadet. In my opinion it's about time to abandon this stupid onesided portrayal of a whole species.
As I said, then it's about time to stop it.But that's what Star Trek is all about!Trekmovie.com seems to confirm that this is indeed not an Orion slave woman, but rather an Orion cadet. In my opinion it's about time to abandon this stupid onesided portrayal of a whole species.
Don't thank me, thank Andy Dick.
You have no idea how that has brightened up my day at work.
Im physically laughing at the moment.
Timo,
In Wink Of An Eye, he beds Deela.
After he's done, he's on film putting his boots back on, while she brushes her hair.
In Breads and Circuses, I think it's verified too, with one of the Roman slave girls.
FWIW.
Different species will always instinctively prey upon each other. It's just the way it is. Do you want every episode of Star Trek to look like this?As I said, then it's about time to stop it.But that's what Star Trek is all about!Trekmovie.com seems to confirm that this is indeed not an Orion slave woman, but rather an Orion cadet. In my opinion it's about time to abandon this stupid onesided portrayal of a whole species.
I don't get what you're trying to tell me. Or it's the other way around.Different species will always instinctively prey upon each other. It's just the way it is. Do you want every episode of Star Trek to look like this?As I said, then it's about time to stop it.But that's what Star Trek is all about!
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