Not unusual and certainly has happened in human history.
As for the rest, Elnor certainly could have been used better. Hugh's death still worked despite the unfortunate inclusion of Borg elements.
Killing off long time characters
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As for the rest, Elnor certainly could have been used better. Hugh's death still worked despite the unfortunate inclusion of Borg elements.
It's unfortunate these characters were killed off, but that's kind of what happens in streaming series like this. Heck in most of them it's nothing but people being "offed." Whether we like it or not, these are not G or PG rated like the old syndicated shows were that aired at 7PM. It was sad to see, but their deaths carried weight to the story.
Except that the QM are all about countering the Tal Shiar, who are the epitome of secrecy, subterfuge, and deceit in Romulan society. The QM may practice Absolute Candor, but the people they'll be moving against do not. If the most basic tenets of their training don't cover that, that's a bit of an issue. It's something that can be headcanoned away as Elnor's anger or overconfidence or whatever getting the better of him in the moment, but letting your murderous, sadistic enemy set the rules of combat just because is still a weird enough beat that it stands out.
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Still doesn't strike me as odd.
Either scared, or annoyed by her voice.
Don't make me exited for things that aren't gonna happen. If they killed off Q (and possibly his whole species) ST:Picard would instantly become my 3rd favourite Star Trek show. I hate omnipotent characters/aliens and I never found the guy funny.
Except Remmick's was one scene out of nowhere. PIC has more gruesome stuff than all of "Blake's 7"'s put together.
How about the Horta burning people alive in "Devil in the Dark"? Or the Talosians torturing Pike with imaginary hellfire and brimstone? Or Charlie X wiping that poor woman's face away? Or the Salt Vampire sucking the life from people with its suckers? Etc.
Scary, gruesome stuff has been part of STAR TREK ever since the first season of TOS.
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And the little home-grown torture devices from the most admired film of the franchise - the eels from Ceti Alpha 5. Those things are still nightmare fuel.
Not by a long shot, at least for me. @Greg Cox points out several and TWOK will always stand out to me from gruesome deaths. Also, the transporter accident in TMP with the most unsettling scream. The disruptor blast in The Most Toys?
Sorry, I get that it makes people uncomfortable but let's not pretend that Trek never had gruesome before or that this is some how emblematic of New Trek being bad.
Yep! Burrowing into people's ears as the victims scream in agony . . . .
Plus, of course, you have Khan slaughtering all the Genesis scientists, albeit offstage. "He cut their throats . . . ."
Haha.
Sorry. Was he all powerful though??? For someone who was he sure asked a lot of questions. He was more like a Batmite or Mxylplix than anything. A nuisance.At least hes not actually god. All knowing, all powerful and created the universe and wrote Sam And Dean's entire lives.
It’s funny you mention this example, because I’d argue that what Cumberbatch’s Sherlock series did with Mary really did wreck that show. Not in the sense that the character was sacred, but in how the choices they made for her highlighted the final run’s worst impulses and revealed how a once-great show had lost the plot. It soured me on all of Mary’s appearances, really, even though I quite like the actress.
So, yeah, certain character choices can be radioactive retroactively, I’d say.
It’s not the deaths that bothered me so much as how throwaway the deaths felt.
All of them had meaning though (except arguably Hugh's), they weren't throw away.
Icheb’s felt throwaway to me. It had profound effects on Seven’s character but treated Icheb as nothing more than motivation for Seven.
I think Hugh's did too, but Elnor was left with nothing much to do so it didn't go where it could have.
For me, when it comes to Picard, none of the death's felt thrown away. The larger issue was that so many different ideas got put in to the season that some threads got left to the side. Elnor probably the biggest example.
So a guy got fridged for a change.
Part of me suspects it might have had something to do with Manu Intiraymi's comments regarding Kevin Spacey and Discovery's Anthony Rapp.
They just better not kill off ......Khaaan! 
Oh no!
LOL!
Anyway I always imagined his consciousness must have merged with the Genesis explosion into an even further evolved being.
And he's since, just been chilling 'round the moons of Nibia, beyond the Antares maelstrom, and 'round perdition's flames, on a paradise genesis'ed space-time-dimension-shifted "island", where he's granting people's fantasies.
Oh no!
LOL!
Anyway I always imagined his consciousness must have merged with the Genesis explosion into an even further evolved being.
And he's since, just been chilling 'round the moons of Nibia, beyond the Antares maelstrom, and 'round perdition's flames, on a paradise genesis'ed space-time-dimension-shifted "island", where he's granting people's fantasies.
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I seem to be in a minority by liking Skin of Evil; it shows anyone one could die in an apparently routine incident.
Bellisario said about Magnum: "The network didn't like Vietnam flashbacks, they said the audience knows he can't die. I pointed out that the audience always knows we're not going to kill Tom Sellick, except maybe in the final episode of a season."
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