Khan and the Eugenics War

[Mudd]

Just because Grin is critical of the Kurtzman Era of STAR TREK, that doesn't make him an "asshole".

No, that doesn't make the asshole an asshole.

TPTB could change their minds and put WW III back in the 1990s, where it doesn't belong. But that would be foolish and I hope they stick to their guns.

There's no ambiguity about the Eugenics War being the next world war, BTW. McCoy established it immediately. And that world war - our last - will be our current civilization's "last day." Pike said that directly.

 

[Enterprise1701]

It's not often I praise the writing in the Kelvin films, but I appreciated Into Darkness trying to follow known facts about Khan until that point. Kelvin McCoy states that Khan's follower in the torpedo is '300 years old' as of 2259. Obviously that figure must be rounded, but moving Khan to be born in 1996 rather than already be an adult who left Earth in 1996 undermines what fit, to me anyway.

 

[Mudd]

It changes absolutely nothing about Khan, what he did on Earth or anything we've actually seen him do since, in the Kelvin movies or anywhere else.

Of course, he's either a product of selective breeding or he's a genetically-engineered human being. And yet one replaced the other within continuity.

"Oh, but he could be both selectively bred and genetically engineered."

That's not what happened. The writers jumped from one track to the other, probably out of carelessness rather than plan.

 

[Dar70]

I still don't think Picard retconned anything related to Eugenics Wars.


Disney?

Haha. I didn't want to go back into the app. Its so damn buggy and I have to watch through commercials..

 

[XCV330]

Khan being created around 1996 works, especially if the Eugenics wars were a secret campaign fought by nations, private interests, etc with little to know public knowledge. By the time the "Eugenics War" (singular) was enough to be a known item, Khan was in his prime "With power over millions." and the genetic fate of earth was keen on survivor's minds with people like Col. Greene culling large numbers of the population, apparently and inspiring the Terra Prime movement after his death.


The present/near future of Picard's 2024 IS more advanced than ours. It looked like some kind of SLS type rocket was launching the Europa mission out of Vandenburg AFB (which is weird for many reasons because VAFB is mostly used for polar orbits and those are not useful for transfer orbits to other planets. They needed a launch pad near L.A. and I get that) and we're not quite ready to even put people back around the moon, yet.

But they definitely weren't ready to launch a DY-100 into the stars. Or Friendship One.

 

[Donald G]

Haha. I didn't want to go back into the app. Its so damn buggy and I have to watch through commercials..

You're not going to find the Star Trek series on the Disney+ app . . . because they're on the Paramount+ app.

 

[SG-17]

Friendship One was a low-warp probe launched the year after First Contact. I think you mean Nomad.

I have zero problem with shifting the Eugenics War forward and merging it into World War III. We still can't uniformly agree whether the Manchurian Incident and the Second Sino-Japanese War was the start of World War II or not.

 

[Yistaan]

I'm not sure why they're doubling down on 21st century material instead of just ignoring the Eugenics Wars dates more or less like Trek has done since literally 1982 for 40 years. As far as I'm concerned the novels was a good enough answer to what the Eugenics wars were like and that's that. We have the 32nd century to explore now in Trek. It's not like they don't have their hands full already trying to figure that out. If they want to explore the past they should go to the Romulan war, not our present day.

Trek has been chasing Khan for over 40 years. That's almost as long as we've had the franchise. Enough already.

 

[fireproof78]

Trek has been chasing Khan for over 40 years. That's almost as long as we've had the franchise. Enough already.

Khan is considered one of the most iconic figures in Trek lore. They will not stop chasing until we stop buying.

 

[Mudd]

But they've solved the most important Trek Mystery of all time!

They've explained at last why Data's creator and Khan have the same given name.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Maybe we're the Mirror universe.

Strokes goatee.

 

[DEWLine]

But they've solved the most important Trek Mystery of all time!
They've explained at last why Data's creator and Khan have the same given name.

*sigh*
The joke is based on a spelling mistake that's been insisted upon as valid, Soong vs. (Noonien-)Singh.

 

[Mudd]

*sigh*
The joke is based on a spelling mistake that's been insisted upon as valid, Soong vs. (Noonien-)Singh.

No idea what you're on about. My name is Dennis. Try to tell the baristas at Starbucks that it's not spelled Denis. Doesn't matter, it's the same name however you spell it.

 

[Noname Given]

I said this in another thread but I wish they would just say our universe and the trek Universe are different timelines/universes. Then they wouldn't have to worry about retconning this stuff AND the writers would be free to do whatever they want without having to pay lip service to reality.

There's a lot of stuff coming up in the next few decades that they'll have to keep retconning around if they decide to continue down this path.

They already effectively have in Picard. I mean as far as I know NASA's not preparing to launch a manned mission to Jupiter and Europa in 2024. In our timeline they can barely create a new rocket to take us back to Earth 'sMoon by 2024. There's also no scientist named Jackson Roykiirk and no NOMAD space probe launched recently either.

 

[Nerys Myk]

They already effectively have in Picard. I mean as far as I know NASA's not preparing to launch a manned mission to Jupiter and Europa in 2024. In our timeline they can barely create a new rocket to take us back to Earth 'sMoon by 2024.

That's what they want you to believe, man!

 

[fireproof78]

They already effectively have in Picard. I mean as far as I know NASA's not preparing to launch a manned mission to Jupiter and Europa in 2024. In our timeline they can barely create a new rocket to take us back to Earth 'sMoon by 2024. There's also no scientist named Jackson Roykiirk and no NOMAD space probe launched recently either.

As far you can prove...

 

[F. King Daniel]

You're all obsessed with the minutiae of when Khan was born, I'm trying to wrap my head around a US designed supersoldier who identifies as a Sikh yet was clean shaven, waxed his chest and never wore a turban.

Oh and brownfaced for his first appearance, and then British for this third.

 

[Kzinti]

I don't know who Grin is.

a ''fandom menace'' adjacent asshole which is all you need to know about grin lol

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

You're all obsessed with the minutiae of when Khan was born, I'm trying to wrap my head around a US designed supersoldier who identifies as a Sikh yet was clean shaven, waxed his chest and never wore a turban.

Khan never identified himself as a Sikh. Lt. McGivers thought he could possibly be one, but nothing was ever established.

And since Khan is obviously not religious...I think it's pretty much a given that he ISN'T a Sikh (his name "Singh" notwithstanding).

 

[Therin of Andor]

It's a confidential funding report for "Project Khan." Says so on the cover page.

In the fifth episode of Picard, "Fly Me To The Moon," a "Doctor Werner" revokes Soong's funding and license (license to do what?) and forbids him to engage in an future genetic research:

I took it that "Project Khan" was the set-up for the experiments that we know were continued by Arik Soong (in "Enterprise"), ie. using the early Eugenics research that had already created Khan Noonien Singh.