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Kes?

The words of wrongness here are "perfect" and "spouse" (gender toggle).

I don't watch day time TV unless it's forced on me.

The waiting area in the emergency room at the hospital usually.

But 1/2 of it seems to be the same talk show about a woman who doesn't know which one of 5 closely related individuals fathered each of her multiple children.

Honey, sweetie, darling Teacake... You are exceptional, so stop thinking that you can talk for the hoi polloi as if you were one of them.

:)
teacake is Nietzsche's whip?
 
Oh dear!

And so we have another Kes thread hijacked and turned into some semi-pornographic BS.

:sigh:
 
Kes has a history of being hijacked.

She got hijacked by the Warlord dude who was definitely pornographic (canon).

She got hijacked by her own evolution which basically blew her up.

She was in some respects hijacked by Neelix but since it was a better place than she was previously it gets termed a rescue.

In Elogium she was hijacked by biology.
 
Bev Crusher, every morning of her first marriage... "Hi Jack."

Eye of the Needle...

JANEWAY: I know you're disappointed, Harry, we all are. It seemed we were so close. But clearly we can't go back. It would pollute the time line to such an extent that the consequences would be unimaginable. I'm afraid we'll have to send you back alone and ask that you not reveal anything that has happened here.
TELEK: I can assure you, Captain, that I would not do anything that might contaminate the future and perhaps harm the Romulan Empire, but, in twenty years I could alert Starfleet not to launch the mission which sent you here.
CHAKOTAY: I'm afraid that's not possible either. We've already had a huge impact on this quadrant. People and events here would be drastically affected.
JANEWAY: I'm afraid we're left with our original request. In twenty years, would you relay our personal messages to Starfleet?
Neelix would still have two lungs, and Kes would still be a slave girl.

NOTHING else had been effected.

If Voyager hadn't have been there, Caretaker's self destruct would have worked.

Zerosum game.

150 human beings and aliens from the alpha quadrant railroaded into a 70 year odyssey home becuase some girl who is going to be dead of natural causes in 6 years, thought she was too prissy to be a waitress.
 
Kes might have had a future as a fiery opposition politician (or whatever terminology they used to describe the Caretaker's stooges). One did not get the sense from our short guided tour of their great hole in the ground, that many of the natives were exactly live wires or likely strong, forceful proponents for pretty much any programme other than same old, same old. Even Kes' fellow travelers did not seem to do much other than cultivate organic gardens from what I recall.


Maybe for the most part, the animated segment of the population knew better and got out of Snoozeville with Suspiria when they had the opportunity. Regardless, I think that Kes, with her deep convictions, steely determination, yet compassionate nature could have made a compelling case for a break from orthodoxy, especially if the populace realized that the Caretaker paradigm was over. Her looks certainly wouldn't have hurt the effort!! :drool:
 
They only do it once.

If there's no casual sex, then there's no reason to be nice to people because they might sleep with you because they physically can't.'

Beauty is valueless.
 
I really liked Kes, she generally ranks third in my list of VOY characters (after Torres and Tuvok). She was a sweet and endearing character, someone they could've used far more than they did. She had a lot of potential, far more so than the likes of Kim or Neelix.

Her being axed from VOY was the beginning of the end for me.

What I disliked about her was the creepy "relationship" with Neelix, and how in the beginning she really was really only identified as little more than his girlfriend--it was only after she dumped him that she became a character in her own right, without having her role on the show being hinged on someone else (which is always a sign of poor female characters).

YAY!!! :techman: I've read here and there about preliminary thoughts to make her Seven's guide, sister figure, confidante, whatever. I think it unlikely to be the case, even if plans to give Kes the sack weren't pretty well advanced as season 3 wound its way down. Would a heavy part of the development of the instrument of the show's anticipated revitalization be molded by virtue of extended interaction with a non-major character, especially one whose own growth had been ,heretofore, at best uncertain? NAH.


I think the reality of such a decision might very well have been quite intriguing given the talents of both these actors however. I would put a lot more stock in the wisdom, intuitive understanding of others, and grace that Kes would have imparted as compared with the Doc's lesson plan, entertaining as it was. If written well, I think Seven's maturation and individuation would have been on a much surer footing, allowing the jetisoning of what, to my eyes anyway, were tiresome and repetitive reiterations of her Borg personality foibles. Who knows what could have ensued. Maybe a different power dynamic amongst the command staff, a more vigorous opposition to Janeway's reign, certainly a quicker and different relationship choice.

But...it would have had to have been a different show under a different administration for something like that to have been even plausible. Ah well, some of us can dream... or write!!!
 
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