Kes and Neelix

[Guy Gardener]

I am being a massive dick when I say that we are not sure that that is a fact.

At the time I assumed they got back together, or the break up never happened since it was based on bad faith, and then became utterly perplexed about what the #### was happening the first time Kes tried to get it on with another bloke in Darkling, 8 episodes later.

They could have broken up for legitimate reasons, like say when Neelix dabbled in drug dealing?

We don't know.

The real break up happened off screen, and it could have happened anywhen between Warlord and Darkling which is about 6 to 10 months in real time, which is a fair chunk of Kes' life.

UM?

Can Q see Kes?

Omniscience means that he sees a persons entire life, 30 years backwards, and a hundred years forward splooged sideways across an infinite number of timelines.

9 years.

He'd confuse her for a bug if he didn't squint.

 

[2takesfrakes]

Kes should've had an Ocampan husband/boyfriend and Neelix should've been their friend. It would've been interesting to have a ready-made couple onboard, from the very beginning - one that offset eachother, somehow, perhaps. Maybe with Neelix always having had a crush on her, if the husband died, or something like that, with her resisting it. That might've made it a little more interesting than what we got.

In terms of what was actually shown, had Kes not tolerated his calling her "sweety" all the time and his jealousy, it would've been easy to not pick up on the fact that they were an item, at all.

VOYAGER introduces us to 2 new aliens that seem kind of interesting in their own right and makes them a couple, already, for no good reason, except to make us question why it happened and how it survives. But Jennifer Lien was very beautiful and talented and got a raw deal, from the start. The cast seems to have been particularly fond of her, too. It just wasn't in the cards ...

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I couldn't stand having two Ocampans on board.

And yes I agree, it was only his endearments and jealousy that showed them to be a couple. It was pretty much invisible otherwise. I wonder why.

 

[Guy Gardener]

They were kissing each other in the pilot.

I wonder who decided they should have separate rooms?

One of them, or a prude thinking that only married couples get a stateroom.

No.

That would have been the Operations Officer allocating billets.

And Harry was in the recovery position underneath Ocampa after being raped by Caretaker when the crew met Neelix.

If during those 30 minutes, Kim was possibly dead, whoever cowboyed up and took the operations officer Job, must have been quite put out when it was found that Kim was alive again... All the times they thought Kim was dead until it was proved that he wasn't.

Kim's understudy has to be the gimpiest position on the ship.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

NO no they weren't kissing on the lips. No.

 

[Guy Gardener]

kim is a ridiculous creature who does not understand an opportunity when it presents itself.

"Please, please, B'Elanna I don't want to die before I've even ever kissed a girl."

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

kim is a ridiculous creature who does not understand an opportunity when it presents itself.

"Please, please, B'Elanna I don't want to die before I've even ever kissed a girl."

Kim said no when Jeri Ryan asked if he wanted to have intercourse. That has to be the dumbest answer, EVER!!!

 

[Guy Gardener]

Not really if you could see how boring she is on the inside.

Luckily his wussiness collaterally allowed him to side step a freight train worth of dull.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

Not really if you could see how boring she is on the inside.

Luckily his wussiness collaterally allowed him to side step a freight train worth of dull.

You can never tell how women are in the sack... until it's too late.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I find that they'll promise you almost anything to let them out of the sack.

 

[Lynx]

They make an adorable couple! (I would LIKE to think that, if not for that damn warlord thing, Kes and Neelix never would have broken up.)

Sure, Neelix is a tad jealous at times, but never dangerously so. Let's put it this way: I suspect that Kes was his first love, and thus he was unprepared for a relationship and kind of overcompensated at times. Before Kes, he wasn't used to being a boyfriend and didn't know "how" to be one. Fair enough, yes?

I have to disagree. I think that their relationship started to crumble after "Parturition".

At that point Kes probably had enough of Neelix's jealousy and over-protection.

If the writers had been clever, they could have spent two or three episodes on given them a proper break-up in season 2 instead of that rushed, badly written breakup in "Warlord". It was actually Tieran who broke up with Neelix as a part of his plan, not Kes. So why did the break-up remain after Kes being restored to normal? And why no comments about it later on?

Personally I think that the relationship was good in the beginning. Then they developed in different directions. Things like that happen.

 

[2takesfrakes]

A pixie and a hyæna might've evoked "Beauty & the Beast" on paper, but that's certainly not what VOYAGER ended up giving us. I like the idea of showing an alien couple whose love was "innocent," in the sense that she doesn't come from a race whose culture revolves around sex and he's not some space studd who has to beat all the women off with a stick. The execution of the idea went nowhere, unfortunately, because there was no forethought, or intention, behind Neelix or Kes. "Oh, we'll just figure it out, later, as we go along. The Beauty & The Beast theme just writes itself. We're not going to worry about it."

 

[Lynx]

^^
You have some points there. Unfortunately, it wasn't the only situation the writers treated as "wait and see". There were a lot of things they simply had no ideas about. They just continued to let everything roll and if it didn't work, they just dropped it or shoved it away without any explanations, just like "ah, lets move on. The viewers will not notice it".

 

[The Overlord]

They make an adorable couple! (I would LIKE to think that, if not for that damn warlord thing, Kes and Neelix never would have broken up.)

Sure, Neelix is a tad jealous at times, but never dangerously so. Let's put it this way: I suspect that Kes was his first love, and thus he was unprepared for a relationship and kind of overcompensated at times. Before Kes, he wasn't used to being a boyfriend and didn't know "how" to be one. Fair enough, yes?

Really Neelix was never "dangerously jealous"? What about his behavior in this episode?

http://blip.tv/sf-debris-opinionated-reviews/voy-parturition-review-6350892

When Neelix is assaulting other crew members at the slightest hint they may be interested in Kes, Neelix has become dangerously jealous.

 

[Guy Gardener]

To be fair, Tom had rooted his way through half the female crew already.

How many of those women had their toes in a relationship with a different suitor?

Between marking all the women on board like a Tomcat spraying his territory, betraying Starfleet to the Maquis, and then betraying the Maquis to Starfleet, it's almost a certainty that the entire crew would have cheered Neelix on if he had made Mr. paris swallow a rolling pin for any silly reason whatsoever.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

To be fair, Tom had rooted his way through half the female crew already.

How many of those women had their toes in a relationship with a different suitor?

Between marking all the women on board like a Tomcat spraying his territory, betraying Starfleet to the Maquis, and then betraying the Maquis to Starfleet, it's almost a certainty that the entire crew would have cheered Neelix on if he had made Mr. paris swallow a rolling pin for any silly reason whatsoever.

If we count holograms and... dead people, female borg in dreams, Kim has had more affairs on board than Tom... Not to mention the threesome that he refused on Tarisia, on the pretext that it involved death by desiccation... tsk, tsk...

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

They make an adorable couple! (I would LIKE to think that, if not for that damn warlord thing, Kes and Neelix never would have broken up.)

Sure, Neelix is a tad jealous at times, but never dangerously so. Let's put it this way: I suspect that Kes was his first love, and thus he was unprepared for a relationship and kind of overcompensated at times. Before Kes, he wasn't used to being a boyfriend and didn't know "how" to be one. Fair enough, yes?

Really Neelix was never "dangerously jealous"? What about his behavior in this episode?

http://blip.tv/sf-debris-opinionated-reviews/voy-parturition-review-6350892

When Neelix is assaulting other crew members at the slightest hint they may be interested in Kes, Neelix has become dangerously jealous.

He was a total dick.

 

[2takesfrakes]

To be fair, Tom had rooted his way through half the female crew already.

How many of those women had their toes in a relationship with a different suitor?

Between marking all the women on board like a Tomcat spraying his territory, betraying Starfleet to the Maquis, and then betraying the Maquis to Starfleet, it's almost a certainty that the entire crew would have cheered Neelix on if he had made Mr. paris swallow a rolling pin for any silly reason whatsoever.

>>SNORT!!!<<
Thomas wasn't that indiscriminate for having such a Kirk-like libido, was he? I read an interview with Robert Duncan McNeill, where he stated he kept pushing for Paris to become involved in a permanent relationship. That he didn't want to play the resident studd ...

 

[Melakon]

It's a real shame that the only way the writers could conceive of a personality trait for Paris was to make him a womanizer. They must have worn out their brains after giving Chakotay every American Indian stereotype they could think of.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Yeah Tom the womanizer and his little dweeby sidekick Harry, always there to make Tom look good.

But Tom developed (somewhat) and served to give B'Elanna a lot more to do than just be a Klingon.