Kasidy Yates did nothing illegal

[Farscape One]

I'm right because what I said was a hypothetical. I said IF the Maquis never bothered the Federation,, the UFP would be powerless to do anything against them. That's obviously not what happened and Eddigton and the greater Maquis were huge fools for ever trying to attack or steal from the Federation at all. If they never did, the UFP would have to leave them entirely alone.

So what?

Yes, it is some kind of medical agent which is obviously why the head doctor is in charge of it. But that doesn't mean it's the kind of garden-variety "medical supply" that Kasidy was delivering at all. That would have been entirely separate issue. Bio gel is a "controlled substance" that possession of itself can be considered a crime.

That's not at all what Kasidy was delivering or what the Maquis was looking for. They wanted stuff to fix them up once they got shot.

Yes, he got off lightly due to him being an important character in the show they didn't want to write off.

Pure speculation.

Starfleet would have still gone after Eddington and other former Starfleet turned Maquis because all of the ones we have seen, with the exception of Chakotay, committed treason by working for the Maquis while still in Starfleet. In other words, treason. Chakotay at least did the proper, and honorable, thing by resigning first and THEN joining. Plus, they had already stolen those industrial replicators. They were going to be hunted by Starfleet, whether Eddington kept to what he said or not. (And you aren't right simply because it IS a hypothetical. Since events proved otherwise, there's no way to know.)


Regarding what Kasidy smuggled... it SEEMED like it was medical supplies, but there was nothing certain. O'Brien said the transporter trace was 80% organic, and he theorized food or medical supplies. They did not know for sure. In any case, she was still smuggling to a criminal, terrorist organization.


And so what? It was illegal to smuggle goods to a terrorist organization, whether they are legal goods or not.


Regarding Yates' sentence... I know what I said was speculation. That's why I said 'likely' and not 'certainly'.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I'm right because what I said was a hypothetical. I said IF the Maquis never bothered the Federation,, the UFP would be powerless to do anything against them. That's obviously not what happened and Eddigton and the greater Maquis were huge fools for ever trying to attack or steal from the Federation at all. If they never did, the UFP would have to leave them entirely alone.

So what?

Yes, it is some kind of medical agent which is obviously why the head doctor is in charge of it. But that doesn't mean it's the kind of garden-variety "medical supply" that Kasidy was delivering at all. That would have been entirely separate issue. Bio gel is a "controlled substance" that possession of itself can be considered a crime.

That's not at all what Kasidy was delivering or what the Maquis was looking for. They wanted stuff to fix them up once they got shot.

Yes, he got off lightly due to him being an important character in the show they didn't want to write off.

Pure speculation.

Sisko did not go easy on the Maquis, with the tools he had.

If anything, Starfleet Command would have said "We know its drafty in that Cardassian station, and you need a warm body in bed with you at night, so how about one month in Prison for your woman? Hard labor reviewing derivative essays about elbows and assholes from teen emos in Wellington?"

But Sisko would have flown off the handle "Punish her! A year!" Then after some rage forecasting, they would have split the difference, which is how we came to six months.

 

[Crewman6]

Starfleet would have still gone after Eddington and other former Starfleet turned Maquis because all of the ones we have seen, with the exception of Chakotay, committed treason by working for the Maquis while still in Starfleet. In other words, treason. Chakotay at least did the proper, and honorable, thing by resigning first and THEN joining.

That's a fair point. If Starfleet officers had joined the Maquis while still in service, they would have been in violation of their oath if nothing else, even assuming they didn't abuse their position to help the Maquis.

Plus, they had already stolen those industrial replicators. They were going to be hunted by Starfleet, whether Eddington kept to what he said or not.

I said if they never bothered the Federation. Not "if they stopped bothering the Federation after bothering the Federation several times."

Regarding what Kasidy smuggled... it SEEMED like it was medical supplies, but there was nothing certain. O'Brien said the transporter trace was 80% organic, and he theorized food or medical supplies. They did not know for sure. In any case, she was still smuggling to a criminal, terrorist organization.

It was completely certain. Trust what the show is telling you, don't imagine alternate scenarios with no proof. The show told us, explicitly, several times that they were medical supplies, full stop.

Regarding Yates' sentence... I know what I said was speculation. That's why I said 'likely' and not 'certainly'.

Sisko has too much integrity to abuse his position on Kasidy's behalf.

 

[Farscape One]

That's a fair point. If Starfleet officers had joined the Maquis while still in service, they would have been in violation of their oath if nothing else, even assuming they didn't abuse their position to help the Maquis.


I said if they never bothered the Federation. Not "if they stopped bothering the Federation after bothering the Federation several times."

It was completely certain. Trust what the show is telling you, don't imagine alternate scenarios with no proof. The show told us, explicitly, several times that they were medical supplies, full stop.

Sisko has too much integrity to abuse his position on Kasidy's behalf.

Which makes what Eddington say to Sisko a moot point anyway, because they had already taken from the Federation. (Not to mention multiple other things they did up to that point in the series.) "You leave us alone and we'll leave you alone" means nothing since there have been multiple instances of the Maquis not leaving the Federation or Starfleet alone.


And I was quoting dialogue from the episode itself, so I wasn't imagining an alternate scenario. Here's the scene in the Wardroom when it was mentioned...


EDDINGTON: "After the cargo was beamed aboard the Maquis raider, the Xhosa took this route out of the Badlands and resumed its course to Dreon Seven."
DAX: "Do you know what cargo was transferred to the Maquis ship?"
O'BRIEN: "From the residual transporter signature, it was approximately eighty percent organic. I'd say food or possibly medical supplies."
DAX: "Well, at least we're not dealing with weapons. It sounds like she's only providing..."
SISKO: "Where is the Xhosa now?"
WORF: "Captain Yates is on her way back to the station. She should arrive at nineteen hundred hours."
SISKO: "Thank you. Dismissed."


I bolded the part said in my previous post. It's a more truncated version, but it says the same thing: O'Brien was saying POSSIBLY medical supplies. So not a certainty.



I do agree with you about Sisko having too much integrity to interfere with Kasidy's sentencing. I was just positing a possibility, however small it is.

 

[Takeru]

It was completely certain. Trust what the show is telling you, don't imagine alternate scenarios with no proof. The show told us, explicitly, several times that they were medical supplies, full stop.

Really? This is what you said two days ago:

Shows "tell us" things all the time that we are supposed to accept as reality that don't hold up to scrutiny. That's why we have discussion groups, to have conversations about such things.

It was in response to the show telling us that what Kasidy did was illegal.

You make opposite arguments depending on what supports your stance, that makes no sense, you can't have it both ways. You also ignored several posts made yesterday pointing out that what Kasidy did would be illegal in several real world jurisdictions probably hoping if you sit it out people will forget about that. I don't believe you are discussing on good faith.

 

[Nyotarules]

She smuggled supplies through a federation starbase, was my understanding.

The starbase belongs to the Bajorans not the UFP

 

[Guy Gardener]

No one on Deep Space Nine thought about he while she was gone, but what about Jacob?

When did Ben's siblings disappear?

OMG!

Did all of Ben's bother's and sisters perish during a had pressed Prison riot while visiting Kasidy in lock up?

 

[Guy Gardener]

The starbase belongs to the Bajorans not the UFP

Its fraud to put misleading freight/destination on official documents.

The federation pays customs and excises for all goods passing though anywhere, like Bajor, that still uses money.

 

[Crewman6]

Really? This is what you said two days ago:

It was in response to the show telling us that what Kasidy did was illegal.

You make opposite arguments depending on what supports your stance, that makes no sense, you can't have it both ways. You also ignored several posts made yesterday pointing out that what Kasidy did would be illegal in several real world jurisdictions probably hoping if you sit it out people will forget about that. I don't believe you are discussing on good faith.

Those are not contradictory thoughts at all.

I don't think it's wise to try to second guess the show when the intent of the writers is clear. Very often, people (on this very board, no less!) come with wildly speculative alternate theories that fly in the face of the show's very obvious, stated intentions.

That doesn't mean that everything always hangs together with airtight logic.

Clearly, the writers of the show are telling us that what Kasidy did was illegal in their universe. I'm simply poking holes in the logic of their arguments.

However, I'm not suggesting, in universe, that we shouldn't take the show at face value and that we shouldn't believe Kasidy was arrested for a crime. Obviously, she was. I can still point out how I don't agree with the show while still accepting the "reality" of what they're showing us.

 

[Guy Gardener]

In my mind, because I am disgusting, I had a vision of what would come to pass after "What you leave behind..." Where Kasiday and Jake got married, because he was always "there" raising his bother anyways.

Marrying you own son has to be worth another six months?

 

[kkt]

Starfleet would have still gone after Eddington and other former Starfleet turned Maquis because all of the ones we have seen, with the exception of Chakotay, committed treason by working for the Maquis while still in Starfleet.

I'm pretty sure treason can be committed by any citizen against their country, whether they are in service of their military or not. They could get convicted both treason AND violation of their Starfleet oaths AND possibly many lesser crimes about disobedience of orders and attacking superior officers.

 

[kkt]

In my mind, because I am disgusting, I had a vision of what would come to pass after "What you leave behind..." Where Kasiday and Jake got married, because he was always "there" raising his bother anyways.

Marrying you own son has to be worth another months?

And here I thought it was twisted that some 'shipped Jake and Ezri...

 

[Tosk]

I'm simply poking holes in the logic of their arguments.

Well...attempting to at least.

 

[Ragitsu]

I wonder how KY is going to afford this astronomical attorney invoice.

 

[Tuskin38]

The starbase belongs to the Bajorans not the UFP

Yes but it was being run by Starfleet.
Odo had to abide by starfleet regulations, he has complained about how restricting they are.

Clearly, the writers of the show are telling us that what Kasidy did was illegal in their universe.

And it's illegal in some places in our universe as well.

 

[Farscape One]

I'm pretty sure treason can be committed by any citizen against their country, whether they are in service of their military or not. They could get convicted both treason AND violation of their Starfleet oaths AND possibly many lesser crimes about disobedience of orders and attacking superior officers.

True, but the Maquis aren't even Federation citizens anymore. (Definitely the colonists on Dorvan V aren't... they renounced it in "Journey's End". Most likely others, too.) Hard to be treasonous to your country, or in this case the Federation, if you no longer are members of it or still have citizenship status of it.

The former Starfleet ones like Eddington, Hudson, and Ro were treasonous. They used their positions in Starfleet to aid the Maquis while still wearing the uniform. Not sure how the non-Starfleet civilians could be treasonous.

 

[Ragitsu]

Although I disagree with the Maquis, I give Chakotay credit for being up front.

 

[fireproof78]

Which makes what Eddington say to Sisko a moot point anyway, because they had already taken from the Federation. (Not to mention multiple other things they did up to that point in the series.) "You leave us alone and we'll leave you alone" means nothing since there have been multiple instances of the Maquis not leaving the Federation or Starfleet alone.


And I was quoting dialogue from the episode itself, so I wasn't imagining an alternate scenario. Here's the scene in the Wardroom when it was mentioned...


EDDINGTON: "After the cargo was beamed aboard the Maquis raider, the Xhosa took this route out of the Badlands and resumed its course to Dreon Seven."
DAX: "Do you know what cargo was transferred to the Maquis ship?"
O'BRIEN: "From the residual transporter signature, it was approximately eighty percent organic. I'd say food or possibly medical supplies."
DAX: "Well, at least we're not dealing with weapons. It sounds like she's only providing..."
SISKO: "Where is the Xhosa now?"
WORF: "Captain Yates is on her way back to the station. She should arrive at nineteen hundred hours."
SISKO: "Thank you. Dismissed."


I bolded the part said in my previous post. It's a more truncated version, but it says the same thing: O'Brien was saying POSSIBLY medical supplies. So not a certainty.



I do agree with you about Sisko having too much integrity to interfere with Kasidy's sentencing. I was just positing a possibility, however small it is.

The only question is what was the status of the Maquis at this time? If a criminal organization then Yates is guilty of supplying aid to a known criminal organization. That's a crime and she deserves arrest.

 

[Farscape One]

The only question is what was the status of the Maquis at this time? If a criminal organization then Yates is guilty of supplying aid to a known criminal organization. That's a crime and she deserves arrest.

They were a criminal/terrorist organization long before that point.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The only question is what was the status of the Maquis at this time? If a criminal organization then Yates is guilty of supplying aid to a known criminal organization. That's a crime and she deserves arrest.

But she didn't give them anything, not even medical supplies.

It was a trick.

The Maquis burnt her, and then used her capture as a diversion to achieve a comprehensive military victory.

But...

Sisko recorded a previous transaction between his girlfriend and this terrorist scum, when he was trying to figure out up from down, so they had her on that, and he didn't even need to catch them in the act again, which they didn't.

If Sisko'd just nabbed this turncoat in act two, Kasidy would have been dripping in evidence and culpability, and definitely been sent up the river for 40 years.

Did Eddington do Ben a solid?