Justice League official "Zack Snyder" cut on HBO Max

Didn't pay attention to Cyborg scenes I see then.

 

Didn’t feel like a slog to me. I started watching the black and white version today and before I knew it, 80 minutes had past. I’ll have to be careful with this movie.

 

I agree, his movies are usually visually interesting, but vapid on the story.

 

What's special about the Cyborg story? He wishes he didn't have a metal body? How deep.

 

It's not that the movies are a slog, its that their pacing is uneven. Like I said, it's a technical thing. I still like his movies, just funny how his directing seems to go against what directors are taught to do in film school.

 

Different strokes I guess. Cyborg's expanded story was one of the most noteworthy additions to the cut, IMO.

 

Well, the fact that only his head and just below his nipples survived the crash would be pretty damned traumatic at the very least, so there's more to it than "oh I wish I was a real boy." His arc covered his long journey from being a self and society loathing monster back into the good man he was before the accident. It was about him finding his place in the world, reconnecting with people, rediscovering his impulse to help. About not being a broken fraction of a person, that he was still human in spite of 80% of his body being mechanical. He went from hating his father, who never had time for him, to understanding, respecting and eventually loving him again because of the faith he placed in Victor by giving him the capacity to destroy humanity - and trusting that he wouldn't. That actually is a much richer arc than you imply. It's a hero's journey and out of all of them, his origin was the most horrific. He overcame that and cast off his hoodie to accept who he is.

 

I thought Cyborg was fine. Seems the story jumps over how his father could use a alien device that he would know little about to give him a cybernetic body.

I am a fan of Victor Stone back to his days in the New Teen Titians. Tying him to Apokolips seems unnecessary. I understand wanting to upgrade his powers to match and exceed advances in real world technology. But making him instantly be godlike in power is overkill and hard to relate to at all. Better to see him use his own intelligence to trial and error what he can do. With no idea of the limitations.

 

Why didn't Superman need a cybernetic body to come back from the dead? He wasn't injured when fighting Doomsday?

 

That’s from the New 52 relaunch. They tied Cyborg’s creation with Darkseid.

 

Because Cyborg Superman is a very different character, which strangely also came to be from the resurrection storyline

 

Yeah, I know that. Just inconsistencies in how the motherbox works.

 

I am aware of that. Most likely Geoff Johns’ idea. Perfect example of Small Universe to me.

 

WB guys know who The Flash is, right?

Best bit of the entire movie for me.

 

Whenever you add time travel, you have to explain why they don't just use it every time to fix everything... Endgame did a superb job in this regard.

 

Remember Death of Superman Lives? These movies always have execs making totally bizarre demands, like Superman fighting polar bears or giant spiders.

 

Short version: At first he hated having a kick-ass robot body, and then he got over it.

 

"Explosions are awesome!"

 

I think the fandom would tear Smallville Clark apart if it the show had been more recent, likewise even the TAS version would be regarded a lot less brightly. Both versions were a lot more fallible than some standards would accept.

 

I'm not so surprised. The Knightmare sequence kinda sets up a sequel expectation. I think WB just wanna be done with the whole thing.