Justice League official "Zack Snyder" cut on HBO Max

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  1. EnderAKH

    EnderAKH Fleet Captain Premium Member

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    For me personally? As with all Zack Snyder films, he failed to connect me emotionally to what was going on on the screen. I didn't care about the characters or plot, it was all just things that happened.
     
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  2. thribs

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    But that Superman is very similar. I can easily see Cavil’s being like that 20 years down the line.
     
  3. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    You've got a smoking redhead who wants to be Lois Lane?

    Thee are two acceptable solutions.

    1. "You are Lana Lang."
    2. "I'm going to caress some bootblack into your scalp, stop flinching woman."
     
  4. TREK_GOD_1

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    You were the one who posted:

    Which is false for the reasons stated in my previous post. Further, your "we" did not move a studio to invest tens of millions of dollars into a director's cut of a film that is several years old if there was not the significant fan desire making the idea of ZSJL worth the effort. ZSJL clearly continued a direction for Superman that worked, with no one asking for the character to take on any of the traits/handling of stale versions from the past, or the CW version, either. No one is asking for that now.
     
  5. JD

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    Well, no one except all of us on here who have talked about why we don't like Snyder's Superman, and the people from sites like Io9 and CBR who wrote the numerous articles I saw about why they didn't like what Snyder did with Superman.
    I have seen a lot more people on the internet who didn't like Snyder's than I have who did.
    And the
     
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  6. thribs

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    I don’t mind Lois being a red head. Amy Adams was going to go brunette for it but the director said it wasn’t necessary.
    Would be nice to get a red head Lana and/or Jimmy one day
     
  7. Serveaux

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    Lois was auburn for a good part of Byrne's run.
     
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  8. The Realist

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    Of course. So have we all. That's because preferring Snyder's approach to the character remains very much a minority view.

    I mean, if you like it, you like it, and that's fine. But claiming it's universally popular and what everyone wants to see is just willful denial of reality.
     
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  9. Serveaux

    Serveaux Boomer American Premium Member

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    I know one person who thought it was good and an improvement.
     
  10. The Realist

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    Sure, there are lots of people who do. Lots in absolute terms, just not in terms of the larger audience and culture and fandom. And it's an exercise in overcompensation to claim otherwise.

    Of course, if you like it, there's really no reason it should matter to you how many others do or don't. But it seems very important to TG1, who feels compelled to insist that nobody but nobody wants to see a traditional Superman anymore (typically while talking to someone who just proved the opposite).
     
  11. TREK_GOD_1

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    You realize that you--and the others of the "Superman must be that same character from 1950" member have opinions that are rendered irrelevant by the fact that a studio spent the aforementioned tens of millions on Snyder's JL--which included a continuation of his Superman arc? You can deny that all you want, but the facts stand on the side of the massive fan outpouring of support and desire to see the Snyder version continued, which ZSJL is the result of said desire.

    Such hypocrisy, when your posting history regarding Snyder as a person, his work (and fans of it) has you doing everything other than living by your own word.

    Next...

    Said the person who habitually posts in Snyder-related threads (when you cannot stand his version), spewing hate for any kind of Superman other than one version you're hung up on, while attacking fans of Snyder's work, and making the erroneous claim that "everyone" wants Superman to be stuck in that one Weisinger/Swan/Plastino model forever, when decades of Superman media not trapped in that mold proves that fantasy is patently incorrect.

    I expect your denials, but your own posting history snuffs out any protests.
     
  12. The Realist

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    So predictable. :lol: I could have written this response for you. As always, instead of honestly addressing the subject at hand -- your oft-repeated but demonstrably false claim that no one wants to see old-school Superman anymore -- you deflect with counter-accusations, refusing to engage in legitimate discussion or the slightest scintilla of self-awareness. Clearly, you learned debate at the feet of the masters.

     
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  13. TREK_GOD_1

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    The Realist: talk about predictable. Anyone can easily find and quote your innumerable posts in this and other threads where you attack Snyder as a person, his films and fans. that is a dangerous, obsessive form of hatred, which needs professional attention, as you are engaging in that ill behavior all due to some sad, self-created purity idea you've invested in a fictional character. That an avowed hater of Snyder, his work and fans routinely posts in threads concerning anything about him shows how obsessed you are. Yeah, that's you, which is why for all of your inane attempts at attacking a filmmaker for "daring" to not adapt your aforementioned purity idea (and board members for not accepting it), you have never supported your slobbering rants with one particle of evidence. You just attack over and over again, until your failure all comes down on you in a similar manner to--



    Meanwhile, the facts are here; ZSJL--part of Snyder's continuation of the Superman story was supported by the fans, greenlit by the studio and released. It is an alien concept to you, but studios do not invest the kind of money into previously released productions if there's no interest or profit. The mere existence of ZSJL blows your feeble, fact-free whining away like so much dust.

    Oh, but I expect you to return in yet another hair-pulling rant session.
     
  14. fireproof78

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    Why not have both? This isn't black and white. I want as many iterations of Superman as possible. That's how I grew up with all my heroes and the idea that there is only one "right" interpretation is completely backwards to me.

    Superman and Lois exists, Zach Snyder exists, and hopefully Injustice will exist.
     
  15. thribs

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    We don’t need the Injustice one. :)
     
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  16. fireproof78

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    We don't need any of it. It would be nice to have it but my life certainly will continue on without it.
     
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    @The Realist and @TREK_GOD_1 - this is not the first spat between you two. Please, no more or it's a warning for each of you.
     
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  18. The Realist

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    Belated Superman-only comments on Zack Snyder's Justice League:

    Clark Kent/Superman
    • Is not in the movie enough.
    • Liked the way his death-cry is shown to reverberate across the world in the opening. Suitably mythic, kind of like (good) Frank Miller.
    • The fight with the other League members was a cool setpiece in the theatrical version, and it's a cool setpiece here.
    • The scenes on the farm are his only real moments to shine as a character, and they're nicely done. They're also much superior to the theatrical version, which was marred by Cavill's CGI melty-face and some of Whedon's dumber dialogue. The restoration of the trailers' "I'll take that as a yes" was very welcome.
    • I fear Superman's contributions to the final battle are not very interesting. He's basically an angry, personality-free ultimate weapon, whose role consists mainly of punch-punch-punch-heatvision-punch-punch-punch. Burning off Steppenwolf's horn is also unnecessarily brutal, but because it's a giant CGI monster instead of an actual person it doesn't really register.
    • Don't care for the fact he's still in the black suit for the montage shirt-rip toward the end, but whatever.
    Lois freakin' Lane, man
    • Is not in the movie enough.
    • As always, Amy Adams's Lois is far and away the best thing about Snyder's movies. Tangibly, achingly human, it's like she walked out of another, better movie into this world of posturing two-dimensional brutes. That this woman cares about Cavill's character is the main reason I'm (sporadically) able to as a viewer.
    • Is handled far better here than in the theatrical version, where Whedon managed to fuck up her character and dialogue thoroughly. Was particularly glad that she was about to return to work and the world even before Clark's resurrection; Whedon's "I wasn't Lois Lane without you" thing always rang false.
    Martha Kent
    • Is in the movie just about as much as she needs to be.
    • That her first major scene is a Martian Manhunter fakeout is kind of weird, but it actually works for me. "Swanwick" has had a good dynamic with Lois in the earlier films, and it makes sense he'd want to help her, but feels he can reach her better in the guise of Martha.
    • Happily retains her best moment from the theatrical version, and a great acting choice by Lane: her guarded, watchful, almost suspicious expression and body language when she first gets out of the truck at the farm after Clark's resurrection. Very appropriate for this version of Martha. Also like the generosity of her reaching out to include Lois when she hugs Clark.
    Lex Luthor
    • Is not in the movie enough.
    • I'm in a minority who actually rather liked Eisenberg in BvS; the eccentricity of his performance adds some welcome energy and color to the generally dour proceedings. And the more sinister and subdued version here is great (as he was in the very similar scene in the theatrical cut). I wanted more.
    There are also non-Superman related characters and scenes -- some good, some bad -- in this very long and loud film, but they really weren't what I was there for. :)
     
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  19. thribs

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    I’m glad you enjoyed it
     
  20. The Realist

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    I forgot to mention one other small bit I liked. It's when Bruce is pondering the message from future Barry, "Lois Lane is the key," and Diana responds, "She is for Superman. Every heart has one." Such a lovely line.