I don't find it too long. It works within the reality and context of the movie. Sorry.
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I don't find it too long. It works within the reality and context of the movie. Sorry.
I didn't find it long enough.
ST-One
Vice Admiral
That scene isn't too long.
Since this is (IMO) THE most beautiful starship in all of Trek (and one of the best miniatures in Sci-Fi), the scene could have even been longer, if you ask me.
If this is the same audience that wants FX changed om a 30 year old show then there is no pleasing them anyway.
Nah, if i did it would have a rainbow colored deflector, or the pink deflector would have to be triangular. Maybe it's pink for breast cancer awareness?
My only real complaint is the flyby of lighting fixtures. I love the scene except for those.
That scene isn't too long.
Since this is (IMO) THE most beautiful starship in all of Trek (and one of the best miniatures in Sci-Fi), the scene could have even been longer, if you ask me.
Yeah. The light fixtures...a mite unnecessary, but that's okay. I liked the soft music before the big reveal.
It did not seem too long in 1979............
We hadn't seen the ship in 10 years and never in such beautiful detail.
I can see how someone, years later with 30 years of Trek & other sci-fi viewing, could say that.
I think for the DE they could have cut a solid 45 seconds out of the flyby---parts showing the pod and the dock, but no shots of the ship.
We hadn't seen the ship in 10 years and never in such beautiful detail.
I can see how someone, years later with 30 years of Trek & other sci-fi viewing, could say that.
I think for the DE they could have cut a solid 45 seconds out of the flyby---parts showing the pod and the dock, but no shots of the ship.
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What a great, yet excruciatingly slow movie. How did anyone survive those 8-minute shots of the Enterprise while it was in space dock?Anyway, some questions have cropped up:
Those 8 minutes may not be the most riveting 8 minutes of cinema, but they are pretty to look at and listen to.
It is great for getting info for model builds.
Focusing on little details like "how could V'Ger have explored the known universe in 300 years makes one really miss the whole point of the movie. There are explanations: Voyager VI was thrown back in time and well as across space or Spock was speaking metaphorically when he said V'Ger had knowledge that spanned the universe. The bottom line--and the important part--is that V'Ger had fulfilled its purpose, it had learned all that it could in this universe and had to evolve, had to find a way to create a new purpose for itself. That is the heart of this movie and what, in my view, makes it great.
GodThingFormerly
A Different Kind of Asshole
V'ger would not have needed to physically explore the totality of spacetime in that a sufficiently complete knowledge of physics, chemistry, information theory, etc. along with assumptions of homogeneity and isotropy would, one may speculate, have been enough for it to generate a relatively accurate internal symbolic model of the universe during its three hundred year journey from the far side of the Milky Way. Indeed, the entity would have presumably also been heir to the undoubtedly staggering knowledge collected by The Planet of Living Machines over how many millennia of their existence which would have given it quite a head start.
TGT
This is not the first time I've seen the movie, so no point was missed. I liked the movie. I'm debating this because it's an issue. I don't think anyone said or even implied that V'ger was thrown back in time.
The universe is supposedly infinite, so that doesn't fly. Furthermore, if V'Ger was so good at traveling the universe, why did it take so long to reach Earth? Was it taking a leisurely stroll? I see that there is only one reasonable explanation. Spock was simply wrong.
1. Artificial wormholes are seldom as good as organic.
2. Al Gore was taken out of stasis at some point between TOS and TMP. "The Wrath of Gore" !
3. V'Ger floated off with the Great Bird of the Galaxy. : (
4. This is how Future Gore rose to power.
5. Shat happens.
2. Al Gore was taken out of stasis at some point between TOS and TMP. "The Wrath of Gore" !
3. V'Ger floated off with the Great Bird of the Galaxy. : (
4. This is how Future Gore rose to power.
5. Shat happens.
1) It is theoretically possible that there is an infinite amount of space in the Universe. However, there is a finite--though incredibly large--amount of matter in the Universe, which means that, given enough time, one could explore all of the matter in the Universe. But I don't really see what that has to do with TGT's point about V'Ger being able to construct a "relatively accurate internal symbolic model of the universe" through its observations of our Galaxy during its 300 year voyage.
2) V'Ger took so long to get to Earth because it had to fulfill its programming: To Learn all that is learnable and return that information to its creator. It couldn't return until it had learned all it could learn. If the proble had headed directly back to Earth it would likely have arrived much earlier
People used to have attention spans 30 years ago. (more people anyway) I say if people can sit and watch "The Nutcracker" year after year and get something (stress anything) out of it, why can't it be understood that a 6 minute scene with some of the most beautiful music and beautiful special effects, coupled with an emotional trigger built into the Trekkie mindset, might just satisfy enough people to justify it's presence in that film? Context is everything people.
I find that my first impressions are usually reasonable. I do remember sitting in the theater 29 years ago today 
saying to myself 'come on, get on with it already!'. The scene does set up the disparity of scale between the Enterprise and Vejur. The model work and cinematography is unparalleled to this day. The music is majestic and can't be trimmed by a second without ruining the flow of its pacing. So there we have it. A flawed, if awesome scene, which describes the movie as a whole as well.
Despite the protracted length of this scene I have found myself missing comparable treatment of the Enterprise in subsequent installment of the series. The ammount of screen time the E got in TWOK was as good as it got; beautiful and dramatic. The battle with the Klingons in TSFS was too brief. TUC could have used more beauty shots at the E's introduction and farewell. The E-E's reveal in FC was lovely, but too far away and really gave short shrift to that 'character'. So in context I can't bitch at TMP's indulgence lavished on the E's reintroduction after a decade in limbo.
The most awe inspiring visual of the Enterprise since TMP looks to be J.J.'s scene under construction on Earth in the new flick. Here's hoping when seen in motion it makes the hair on the back of my neck stand on end, as in TMP, but without the yawn tacked onto it.
saying to myself 'come on, get on with it already!'. The scene does set up the disparity of scale between the Enterprise and Vejur. The model work and cinematography is unparalleled to this day. The music is majestic and can't be trimmed by a second without ruining the flow of its pacing. So there we have it. A flawed, if awesome scene, which describes the movie as a whole as well.Despite the protracted length of this scene I have found myself missing comparable treatment of the Enterprise in subsequent installment of the series. The ammount of screen time the E got in TWOK was as good as it got; beautiful and dramatic. The battle with the Klingons in TSFS was too brief. TUC could have used more beauty shots at the E's introduction and farewell. The E-E's reveal in FC was lovely, but too far away and really gave short shrift to that 'character'. So in context I can't bitch at TMP's indulgence lavished on the E's reintroduction after a decade in limbo.
The most awe inspiring visual of the Enterprise since TMP looks to be J.J.'s scene under construction on Earth in the new flick. Here's hoping when seen in motion it makes the hair on the back of my neck stand on end, as in TMP, but without the yawn tacked onto it.
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