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Spoilers Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom - Review and Discussion

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Also, what stopped the pteranodons from flying to the mainland before the end of Fallen Kingdom?
Like the mososaur, who politely waited three years to begin its reign of terror eating hapless surfers until after all the other former Isla Nublar inhabitants were released too, the pteranodons are professionals who have an impeccable sense of dramatic timing and an appreciation for a good closing montage.
 
The weird part of the subplot with the little girl is that her cloning was said to be the thing that caused John Hammond to end his partnership and friendship with Farmer Hoggett... Except John Hammond died over twenty years ago in-universe, and the little girl looks to be about ten years old.

It's easy enough to come up with an explanation, but somehow I doubt they put that much thought into it. I figure Hammond found out Cromwell was going to use his research for human cloning to bring his daughter back, and that's what tore them apart, but it actually took another decade for the technology to be perfected. Alternatively, she might not be the first clone he created, and the previous one had rapid aging that killed her early.

This is why I can't stand the movie and tough on it. It makes no sense even in universe, and it's not enjoyable. The dinosaur fight at the end of Jurassic World is the best in the history of the franchise. Frankly they could just say she wasn't the first clone, the nanny could have said 'I've taken care of all of them" and nope. Like you said not that much thought was put into this.
 
Like the mososaur, who politely waited three years to begin its reign of terror eating hapless surfers until after all the other former Isla Nublar inhabitants were released too, the pteranodons are professionals who have an impeccable sense of dramatic timing and an appreciation for a good closing montage.

I thought the mososaur was released right before all of the other stuff in the movie happened? Like, just days before? I could be totally wrong, for some reason I got the impression that the scene where they cut the rib piece off of Indominus and accidentally leave the door open for mosie happens right before Claire is called over to the manor and then ships off to the island.
 
I thought the mososaur was released right before all of the other stuff in the movie happened? Like, just days before? I could be totally wrong, for some reason I got the impression that the scene where they cut the rib piece off of Indominus and accidentally leave the door open for mosie happens right before Claire is called over to the manor and then ships off to the island.
The opening scene where the sub and the extraction team in the helicopter come to collect the Indominus Rex bones and end up freeing the Mososaur is set six months after the first Jurassic World.

The main portion of the movie is set three years after the incident in the first film. They needed two and a half years to make the Indoraptor and have it grow to full size.

So the Mososaur was swimming around for at least two and a half years, yet no one seems particularly concerned, not even Claire at the dino-rescue place.

(times are listed under "plot")
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurassic_World:_Fallen_Kingdom
 
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There was a lot of dumb in that movie.

Alot

Which, really, there's a good deal of dumb in all of the movies but there's a bit of "charm" in all of them that it can be ignored or forgiven. And, yeah, even the dumb in JP-III.

In Jurassic World the characters have to make a lot of dumb and idiotic decisions for things to go into motion, but the movie has enough call backs and "fun" in it that I can overlook it and forgive it.

This movie?

There's a whole hell of a lot of dumb in it. Christ.

So dumb, I'm going to go with a very, very, petty nitpick. So, this guy builds this giant facility under the mansion to contain and auction-off the dinosaurs. It's obviously a huge, new, facility as I doubt the building was originally built with this massive underground facility.

So when they built this facility, with the secure elevator system.... And hooked it up, unsecured, to the dumbwaiter?

Tiny things like that just pester me. It's minor and petty and in a "better" movie I'd ignore it. But, fuck it, this movie has so much dumb shit in it I'm going to let chiefly bug me. Why did the dumbwaiter go into the basement?!

Ugh, the Millennial Guy, I wanted to see him get eaten more than the "villains" in the movie. The Millennial Girl, eh, she was okay. Liked her "snarkiness." Chris Pratt is good, as expected, and Bryce Dallas Howard is good as well just because she's beautiful and the "Alpha Female Type" so she kicks some degree of ass. (And gets over a leg injury quickly.)

And, what a waste of Jeff Goldblum.
 
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The opening scene where the sub and the extraction team in the helicopter come to collect the Indominus Rex bones and end up freeing the Mososaur is set six months after the first Jurassic World.

The main portion of the movie is set three years after the incident in the first film. They needed two and a half years to make the Indoraptor and have it grow to full size.

So the Mososaur was swimming around for at least two and a half years, yet no one seems particularly concerned, not even Claire at the dino-rescue place.

(times are listed under "plot")
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurassic_World:_Fallen_Kingdom

To be fair, that team had assumed the Mososaur had already starved to death which may have been an accurate assumption not realising how many animals may have wandered close enough to the lagoon that the thing could feed on. IIRC the Mososaur chomped their buddy while still in the lagoon, and got out before the door closed. They probably never realised it got out, or if they did they wouldn't be the first PMCs to lie about something in order to not risk their payday.

The ocean is a big place, so it's also possible that the first interaction the Mososaur has with humans is when it happens on surfers.
 
IIRC, Mososaurs are closely related to present-day monitor lizards making them more "reptilian" than dinosaurs (closely related to present-day avians) and would therefore likely be cold-blooded, which would mean it wouldn't need to eat all that much all that often, and it seemed they fed the thing regularly a Great White Shark for a show. I'd think the I-Rex corpse would keep the thing "fed" for quite some time.
 
Is no one going to discuss the movie's real head-slapper: the overnight freight naval trip from Costa Rica to Northern California?! :rommie:

I figure Hammond found out Cromwell was going to use his research for human cloning to bring his daughter back, and that's what tore them apart, but it actually took another decade for the technology to be perfected. Alternatively, she might not be the first clone he created, and the previous one had rapid aging that killed her early.
Indeed, in the book The Lost World, Ian Malcolm points out that a new market-ready technological product is inevitably the successor to many failed prototypes. He observes that the birthing lab shown in the Jurassic Park/Isla Nublar tour was sanitized pageantry, with only the viable eggs having been transported over from Site B/Isla Sorna. So, given the legal and technological difficulties, not to mention necessary secrecy, in cloning a human, it's hardly a stretch to suppose the project may have taken a long time - and involved at least a few failed prototypes.

As for the movie, I myself loved it - spent the last half hour with the hugest grin on my face. Both Jurassic World and Fallen Kingdom have clearly taken the "Biggerer, Louderer, and Dumberer is Betterer" course at the University of the Fast & Furious, and both gotten top marks. Again, there are plot holes in this movie an eight-year-old could spot, and the filmmakers keep forgetting that the T-Rex is heavy enough to shake the ground, and thus can't possibly sneak up on anyone. (To be fair, though, Spielberg himself kinda started that at the end of JP.) Throw in a few funny jabs at F***face von Clownstick, and you've got yourself a delicious, juicy cheeseburger of summer fun.

And, I look forward to seeing Maisie's secret dino-powers activate when the next movie hits in three years' time. :D
 
Is no one going to discuss the movie's real head-slapper: the overnight freight naval trip from Costa Rica to Northern California?! :rommie:

They used the same techniques that Indiana Jones used when he tied himself to a U-Boat with his belt and survived a trip.

But, yeah, that was a bit too. Also that Owen and Claire jump the truck on the boat and are in the hold looking at the decimatng island and... No one notices them?!
 
Let's face it, if we look at any of the movies too closely they begin to fall apart, from the T-Rex having to be on stilts in the original in order to explain how the tour-car plummeted down that sheer face, to what happened to the crew of the Venture in the Lost World, to there happening to be a Marine landing ship, with a government official aboard, within about 6 hours sail of Isla Sorna in JPIII.
 
Yeah, but part of that is that if the rest of the movie is good it's easier to ignore the silly stuff. (And I've seen some explanation as to how the T-Rex was able to get on the road without "having to be on stilts." He enters the road between the the two tour Explorers which could've been ground-level, the first tour Explorer goes off the road a bit forward of where the T-Rex enters, so there could've been a drop-off here. A concrete moat between the T-Rex's paddock and the neighboring one (the gallimimus or brachiosaurus?) We even see Grant and Lex wash-up in a concrete wall storm drain. )

But, regardless, if a movie is good enough it makes it easier to suspend disbelief. Suspension of disbelief isn't given, it's earned. And to earn it you either have to give a fairly logical enough explanation or make the rest of the movie good enough that it's easier to shrug things off.

This movie, for me, didn't do enough to allow me to wave the dumb stuff away. The previous JW movie barely did this.

Here? The rest of the movie isn't "fun" enough for me to ignore the implausibilities. The raptor scene in the kitchen (in the first one) is good and suspenseful enough that I can ignore that perfect reflection of Lex trying to close the door to the cabinet.

The "suspense" and action in this movie isn't good enough for me to forgive am unsecured dumbwaiter that goes into a recently built massive, secured, basement, particularly when the dumbwaiter sequences goes out of its way to remind me of the original movie with her trying to pull the door down.

The T-Rex scene in the original movie is such an awesome experience, nearly unmatched by any movie that I can forgive the parts of it that don't make sense. Like the Rex not crushing the kids with all its strength when he pushes through the glass-roof the tour car, or that the "Objects in the Mirror..." gag is on the wrong side mirror of the gas-Jeep. Here, the movie isn't "fun" enough for me to forgive that Owen can out-run a pyroclastic cloud, not get burned to ash when inside of it, or be two inches away from a lava flow and not even get superficial burns on his face.
 
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^ All fair points. Did Chris Morgan write this movie?!

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Still, on an adjusted Jurassic & Furious flick scale, I had a blast. :p
 
to there happening to be a Marine landing ship, with a government official aboard, within about 6 hours sail of Isla Sorna in JPIII.

There's an absolute ton of stupidity in JPIII, but I honestly don't understand the problem with this? It's a coincidence, sure, but hardly an impossible one. Or do these ships never ever leave port?
 
There's a lot of stupidity in JPIII but it has the benefit of being short (unlike JP:JW2:JW:FK) . The Marine ship landing on the island wasn't something that ever stuck out to me. Though them finding.... Billy? Before the others did. They got to him in the aviary before they got to Alan and the others in the jungle?
 
To be fair, that team had assumed the Mososaur had already starved to death which may have been an accurate assumption not realising how many animals may have wandered close enough to the lagoon that the thing could feed on. IIRC the Mososaur chomped their buddy while still in the lagoon, and got out before the door closed. They probably never realised it got out, or if they did they wouldn't be the first PMCs to lie about something in order to not risk their payday.

The ocean is a big place, so it's also possible that the first interaction the Mososaur has with humans is when it happens on surfers.
I say nay to you. NAY! Because I didn't care for this movie, allow me to retort and then defend the mistakes in all the other films.;)

The Mosasaur was a coastal hunter that fed near the surface, so it would have stuck close to shore to prey on sea turtles, seals and sea lions, sharks, and surfers.

It's favorite meal, the Great White Shark, is also a coastal hunter which roams up and down the western coast of North America where Moses was released, so it has ample food near the shore in one of the busiest waterways in the world, especially around California.

It's also been accustomed to being around humans and machinery, so it would have no fear of humans or boats and would probably steal fish right out of the nets in bulk.

It also likes to show off by jumping out of the water and even onto land briefly to go after incredibly large and dangerous prey, eats submersibles whole, and eats guys dangling from helicopters in the middle of storms right after feasting on juicy subs, so it's got an insatiable appetite.

Sucker's getting seen.

But still, impeccable timing of it to wait two and a half years until the big closing montage before finally chowing down on some free range surfer. Good things come to Mose who wait.

Let's face it, if we look at any of the movies too closely they begin to fall apart, from the T-Rex having to be on stilts in the original in order to explain how the tour-car plummeted down that sheer face, to what happened to the crew of the Venture in the Lost World, to there happening to be a Marine landing ship, with a government official aboard, within about 6 hours sail of Isla Sorna in JPIII.
- There's actually a thirty foot deep barrier moat around the T-rex paddock (to separate it from the herbivores), perpendicular to the electric fence, that the truck falls into in the novel. You can actually see where the electrified fencing ends just in front of the tunnel in the movie, which would mean the Rex could escape if the ground was level with the fencing there. The movie didn't do a good job of making it clear, and you might have to fudge the details a bit on the placement of the SUV relative to the moat, but it's got some backup.

https://movies.stackexchange.com/qu...the-t-rex-reach-the-vehicles-in-jurassic-park

- In The Making of the Lost World art book, there was concept art of a Raptor standing in a pool of water at the end of a metal corridor about to attack a person with a flashlight, which is possibly supposed to depict how the crew of the Venture was killed, but the scene was never filmed. Although you can deduce as much in the film by the fact that the crew on the bridge was killed by an animal(s) small enough to fit through the doors but big enough to tear a bunch of sailors to shreds. So Blue might not have been the first Raptor on the loose in California.

04JjVha.jpg


- At the end of The Lost World, a naval blockade is established around Isla Sorna now that the island is a nature preserve. It wouldn't be fast or densely picketed enough to prevent small planes or small fast-moving boats like the para-sailer boat that got the idiot and the kid stranded from getting to the island, but it's there to prevent large scale dinosaur poaching and theft operations, or to provide rescue, hence the presence of the heavily armed amphibious Marine detachment and helicopters nearby in JPIII.
 
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Ah, but if the nearby operations were there to provide rescue why were they dismissive of Mrs. Kirby's concerns and told her to just accept the inevitable and piss off?
 
I say nay to you. NAY! Because I didn't care for this movie, allow me to retort and then defend the mistakes in all the other films.;)

The Mosasaur was a coastal hunter that fed near the surface, so it would have stuck close to shore to prey on sea turtles, seals and sea lions, sharks, and surfers.

It's favorite meal, the Great White Shark, is also a coastal hunter which roams up and down the western coast of North America where Moses was released, so it has ample food near the shore in one of the busiest waterways in the world, especially around California.

It's also been accustomed to being around humans and machinery, so it would have no fear of humans or boats and would probably steal fish right out of the nets in bulk.

It also likes to show off by jumping out of the water and even onto land briefly to go after incredibly large and dangerous prey, eats submersibles whole, and eats guys dangling from helicopters in the middle of storms right after feasting on juicy subs, so it's got an insatiable appetite.

Sucker's getting seen.

But still, impeccable timing of it to wait two and a half years until the big closing montage before finally chowing down on some free range surfer. Good things come to Mose who wait.


- There's actually a thirty foot deep barrier moat around the T-rex paddock (to separate it from the herbivores), perpendicular to the electric fence, that the truck falls into in the novel. You can actually see where the electrified fencing ends just in front of the tunnel in the movie, which would mean the Rex could escape if the ground was level with the fencing there. The movie didn't do a good job of making it clear, and you might have to fudge the details a bit on the placement of the SUV relative to the moat, but it's got some backup.

https://movies.stackexchange.com/qu...the-t-rex-reach-the-vehicles-in-jurassic-park

- In The Making of the Lost World art book, there was concept art of a Raptor standing in a pool of water at the end of a metal corridor about to attack a person with a flashlight, which is possibly supposed to depict how the crew of the Venture was killed, but the scene was never filmed. Although you can deduce as much in the film by the fact that the crew on the bridge was killed by an animal(s) small enough to fit through the doors but big enough to tear a bunch of sailors to shreds. So Blue might not have been the first Raptor on the loose in California.

04JjVha.jpg


- At the end of The Lost World, a naval blockade is established around Isla Sorna now that the island is a nature preserve. It wouldn't be fast or densely picketed enough to prevent small planes or small fast-moving boats like the para-sailer boat that got the idiot and the kid stranded from getting to the island, but it's there to prevent large scale dinosaur poaching and theft operations, or to provide rescue, hence the presence of the heavily armed amphibious Marine detachment and helicopters nearby in JPIII.

There is so much stuff storyboarded and in the original scripts that didn't make it into the movies that I would have loved to have seen on screen. Of course then the movies would have been an extra hour long and both the Jurassic Worlds would have been distinctly different as they borrowed un-used stuff from the earlier movies, the Pteranodon attack on the helicopter lifted from The Lost World being the prime example.
 
Ah, but if the nearby operations were there to provide rescue why were they dismissive of Mrs. Kirby's concerns and told her to just accept the inevitable and piss off?
Because after finding the wrecked speedboat in an aerial search they probably thought the kid was dead and had no means of tracking his location since he didn't have a radio or satphone. They weren't going to send in the Marines on what they thought was a hopeless mission that would get a bunch of Marines and dinosaurs (who they were supposed to be protecting) killed pointlessly. They just searched from the air, but unfortunately the kid had to stay in his island hideout to avoid being eaten, so he didn't have time to signal them.
 
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There is so much stuff storyboarded and in the original scripts that didn't make it into the movies that I would have loved to have seen on screen. Of course then the movies would have been an extra hour long and both the Jurassic Worlds would have been distinctly different as they borrowed un-used stuff from the earlier movies, the Pteranodon attack on the helicopter lifted from The Lost World being the prime example.
The thing I had most wished to see from the novels that never made it into the films were the chameleon-like depiction of the Carnotaurs from The Lost World that were stalking the team near a worker shed. Their color changing was so quick and so thorough that even with them being so close that you could hear their breathing, turning on the shed's external lights barely revealed them standing in front of a chainlink fence for a moment before they became nearly invisible again, criss-cross pattern and all.

It was a very intense and scary scene even in text that would have translated perfectly to the big screen with CGI of the time, but for some reason they never showed their chameleon abilities, even though Carnotaurs did appear in JPIII and Fallen Kingdom. It just seems like an odd choice to exclude given the constant trend toward escalation in scary antagonist dinosaurs from JPIII through the Jurassic Worlds with Spinosaurus, Indominus Rex, and the Indoraptor.

And it's not as if they were averse to giving the dinosaurs features they never had in real life, like the frills and poison spit on the juvenile Dilophosaurus that killed Nedry in the first film. You can just chalk up the color-changing to DNA spliced from a chameleon or cuttlefish, possibly as part of Dr. Wu's side project for InGen of looking for military applications.
 
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I want to hire Trekker and Locutus as my spokespeeps. I agree with everything. These movies aren't art, they are entertaining. JP was stupid but it worked for the most part because you can suspend belief. Like I don't care that the boat ride was only 4 hour long as that's boring. But the movie is too stupid and doesn't add anything to the franchise, at all, and after JW I thought we were making progress.
 
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