Jurassic World - Discussion and Grading

[Warped9]

There is absolutely such a thing as story type (or, if you prefer, genre) and Alien/Aliens exist in two different genres.

/discussion

Disagree given you can mix elements.

Alien and Aliens are science fiction where one emphasizes horror and the other emphasizes action, but they both retain similar elements only in differing degree.

 

[Trekker4747]

Last night I watched the original JP which I hadn't seen in twenty years.

What a difference two decades makes. The original now seems less intense and somewhat slower paced. I don't think it comes across as any smarter than JW though. I rate them pretty much even.

The origonal dinosaurs still look pretty good. Many of the scenes with them were in conditions of low light and with action which could help obscure any flaws.

In a way I think JW is to JP similar to what Aliens is to Alien: same basic idea, but ramped up some in energy.

I may give the original a watch tonight, but I always think it's a good, if flawed, movie and the special effects hold up surprising well and in some respects hold-up better than the FX seen in new movies. The "poorest" effect I'd probably give to the first dino-scene where it's a low-angle near POV shot of the brachiosaurus looks very blue screened, Grant is obviously in front of a blue (green) screen and not pointing up into open space. (Or more likely is matted in to the scenery with the dinosaur rendered on top.)

But the raptor scenes and the great scene in the Tyrannosaurus paddock still stand as the best scenes in cinema history.

The movie is flawed in having pretty papery characters and being maybe a touch "family-schlocky" in the 90s Spielberg sort-of-way. I can't say this enough, I'd love to see a truly dark, more realistic, schmaltz-less take on the original book. I think JW sort of gets near that.

But the look and feel of the park in JW is truly great, it really did feel like an attraction experience and makes you wish it were realy... And financially feasible for the average person to visit.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

There is absolutely such a thing as story type (or, if you prefer, genre) and Alien/Aliens exist in two different genres.

Well, Aliens is in at least two on its own, unless you count science fiction as a genre (I personally don't) – then it would be in three.

 

[sojourner]

There is absolutely such a thing as story type (or, if you prefer, genre) and Alien/Aliens exist in two different genres.

/discussion

Disagree given you can mix elements.

Alien and Aliens are science fiction where one emphasizes horror and the other emphasizes action, but they both retain similar elements only in differing degree.

You're confusing story genre with setting genre. Both movies use a science fiction setting but tell different stories.

Aliens is not a "ramped up" horror story.

 

[Dream]

Bluray Gift Set

 

[BeatleJWOL]

damn. talk about your expensive spoilers!

 

[Warped9]

There is absolutely such a thing as story type (or, if you prefer, genre) and Alien/Aliens exist in two different genres.

/discussion

Disagree given you can mix elements.

Alien and Aliens are science fiction where one emphasizes horror and the other emphasizes action, but they both retain similar elements only in differing degree.

You're confusing story genre with setting genre. Both movies use a science fiction setting but tell different stories.

Aliens is not a "ramped up" horror story.

Alien is science fiction done as horror and elements of action. Aliens is science fiction done as action while retaining elements of horror. The emphasis on horror or action is what distinguishes them from each other. They are both basically the '50's era sci-fi B flick only executed very well.

JP and JW are also basically polished monster flicks little different than sci-fi monster flicks of the '50s. They can also be taken as cautionary tales of science gone wrong (like a lot of SF). There's little to distinguish JP and JW but for the degree of action.

 

[sojourner]

I believe that's pretty much what I have been saying. The only point of contention is Alien and Aliens not comparing to JP and JW.

 

[Dream]

damn. talk about your expensive spoilers!

Yeah, I'm glad I saw the movie before seeing that HUGE SPOILER advertisement.

 

[Trekker4747]

damn. talk about your expensive spoilers!

It's a spoiler that there's dinosaurs in the movie....? That one of them is a giant white T-Rex (revealed in the trailers) and that the T-Rex is in the movie? (Almost a given.) That they fought? (Also almost a given.) What's a spoiler about this, now?

 

[Agony_Boothb]

I've only seen the film once.. but this is an animal that is "bigger than a T-Rex" and I don't think the gate was that tall.. plus it's an animal.. it's not going to use the friggin' gate..

The Gate and the wall were both taller than the I-Rex. It's pretty obvious from just looking at the wall and the scale is shown when I-Rex breaks out.

Most modern animals are actually pretty good problem solvers without added DNA. The I-Rex was part Raptor. In the first film, Muldoon states that the Raptors were testing the fences of their enclosure for weaknesses. The I-Rex had been doing the same, it had already attacked the observation room at some point and broke one of the windows. It either observed the gate in use or worked out that it was different to the rest of the wall. It's not that hard to believe that a highly intelligent animal suffering from severe boredom would associate the other side of the wall with food, and would be spending it's time trying to work out how to get to it's food source.

 

[USS Firefly]

Is the movie about dinosaurs?!?!?!

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Like I said, I only saw the film once so far.. but I just remember it was a gate meant to keep the gyrospheres contained. I don't even remember if a sense of scale was presented in the shot of the broken gate. My memory is telling me that this fence was shorter than the others in the park, including the ones the boys drive up in the jeep.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I've only seen the film once.. but this is an animal that is "bigger than a T-Rex" and I don't think the gate was that tall.. plus it's an animal.. it's not going to use the friggin' gate..

The Gate and the wall were both taller than the I-Rex. It's pretty obvious from just looking at the wall and the scale is shown when I-Rex breaks out.

Most modern animals are actually pretty good problem solvers without added DNA.

Somehow, without the benefit of genetic engineering or hybridization, my cats have mastered the subtle art of trying to get out the front door every time I open it. They even hide out and lie in wait, or sneak around the other direction to try and get out. No raptor DNA in them.

 

[Beagleman]

No raptor DNA in them.

That you know of. But yeah, animals are far more clever than we give them credit for.

 

[sojourner]

Like I said, I only saw the film once so far.. but I just remember it was a gate meant to keep the gyrospheres contained. I don't even remember if a sense of scale was presented in the shot of the broken gate. My memory is telling me that this fence was shorter than the others in the park, including the ones the boys drive up in the jeep.

Then you should really see the scene again before continuing down this path.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

I will.

 

[UssGlenn]

The I-Rex didn't break the gate, it was broken open by the Pachycephalosaurus earlier in the movie. She shorted out her implant by butting heads, broke through the gate since her implant wasn't shocking her anymore and wrecked the golfcart-thing that the boys later harvest the battery from.

 

[Dream]

Is the movie about dinosaurs?!?!?!

You should watch the movie and find out.

 

[Warped9]

Is the movie about dinosaurs?!?!?!

Yes, it is about extremist Republicans.