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Jurassic World - Discussion and Grading

Grade: Jurassic World

  • A+

    Votes: 8 6.6%
  • A

    Votes: 28 23.0%
  • A-

    Votes: 17 13.9%
  • B+

    Votes: 27 22.1%
  • B

    Votes: 17 13.9%
  • B-

    Votes: 6 4.9%
  • C+

    Votes: 9 7.4%
  • C

    Votes: 5 4.1%
  • C-

    Votes: 1 0.8%
  • D+

    Votes: 2 1.6%
  • D

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • D-

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • F

    Votes: 2 1.6%

  • Total voters
    122
  • Poll closed .
I can't see how clapping when the end credits roll is at all rude. During the film would be something else, but I can't recall ever seeing that.

One I remember was Trinity's introduction in The Matrix when she rolled down the stairs and landed guns out. Lots of cheering and clapping.

At one time we used to go to an inner city theater because at the time it was the only one that had a big screen and stadium seating. Those crowds are definitely more expressive. :)
 
I saw it again last-night with a buddy. He was largely indifferent about it. He liked it but with mostly a shrug. Saw it IMAX 3D which did look fantastic.

Couple of other things I picked up.

The little kid at one point was babbling on to his older brother about various things he'd read about the park, the dinosaurs, etc. And in there was a touch of lip-service playing to the notion that DNA wouldn't survive millions of years, it'd start breaking down and would pretty much be nothing after a few hundred years, let alone millions. The kid says something about some chemical reaction or other in the amber doing something that caused the preservation of most of the DNA strands.

I *almost* gave the movie a touch of credit on the gas-jeep thing when I noticed an engine hanging on chains in the garage. I was almost willing to shrug and give the kid the benefit of the doubt that they were, somehow, able to swap out the ruined engine with one that didn't have gas in it and also do so with the fuel lines and maybe the gas-tank. A lot of "allowance", perhaps but a "maybbeee....." But then I decided not to, because it'd still leave the question of where they got fresh gasoline from and, really, I'd have to give them A LOT to do so much engine swapping and repairs in a short amount of time.

Paid a bit more attention to the discussions between Wu and Kingpin where they talked of plans, "the asset" and other work. A sequel is pretty much a guarantee at this point, so I wonder if this is maybe th human solider/dinosaur DNA mixing thing that was once rumored to be in the next sequel.

It seems that the Aviary was part of the official park tour, I thought it was just a containment area for the creatures since they obviously couldn't be allowed to fly over the park and were too dangerous to be an attraction. (Were the Raptors even part of the park tour?)

A mention of "Chilean Seabass" over the PA when talking about the foods available in the park. Obviously a nod to the meal Hammond gave everyone in the movie.

The Ian Malcolm "cameo" on the back-cover of a book at the station of the nerdy-guy in the control room.

Watching him this time, it's amazing how virtually nothing about the asshole military/Ingen guy resembles Wilson Fisk from Daredevil. Quite a credit to Vincent D'Onofrio as an actor.

I do find it a bit odd that apparently there was only one helicopter pilot on the island?
 
I saw it again last-night with a buddy. He was largely indifferent about it. He liked it but with mostly a shrug.

Felt that way myself though I can't exactly say why though I think it was probably just too by the numbers. To be fair, I nearly fell asleep at one point so maybe I was too tired but I just had a hard time staying engaged.
 
I saw it again last-night with a buddy. He was largely indifferent about it. He liked it but with mostly a shrug. Saw it IMAX 3D which did look fantastic.

Couple of other things I picked up.

The little kid at one point was babbling on to his older brother about various things he'd read about the park, the dinosaurs, etc. And in there was a touch of lip-service playing to the notion that DNA wouldn't survive millions of years, it'd start breaking down and would pretty much be nothing after a few hundred years, let alone millions. The kid says something about some chemical reaction or other in the amber doing something that caused the preservation of most of the DNA strands.

I *almost* gave the movie a touch of credit on the gas-jeep thing when I noticed an engine hanging on chains in the garage. I was almost willing to shrug and give the kid the benefit of the doubt that they were, somehow, able to swap out the ruined engine with one that didn't have gas in it and also do so with the fuel lines and maybe the gas-tank. A lot of "allowance", perhaps but a "maybbeee....." But then I decided not to, because it'd still leave the question of where they got fresh gasoline from and, really, I'd have to give them A LOT to do so much engine swapping and repairs in a short amount of time.

Paid a bit more attention to the discussions between Wu and Kingpin where they talked of plans, "the asset" and other work. A sequel is pretty much a guarantee at this point, so I wonder if this is maybe th human solider/dinosaur DNA mixing thing that was once rumored to be in the next sequel.

It seems that the Aviary was part of the official park tour, I thought it was just a containment area for the creatures since they obviously couldn't be allowed to fly over the park and were too dangerous to be an attraction. (Were the Raptors even part of the park tour?)

A mention of "Chilean Seabass" over the PA when talking about the foods available in the park. Obviously a nod to the meal Hammond gave everyone in the movie.

The Ian Malcolm "cameo" on the back-cover of a book at the station of the nerdy-guy in the control room.

Watching him this time, it's amazing how virtually nothing about the asshole military/Ingen guy resembles Wilson Fisk from Daredevil. Quite a credit to Vincent D'Onofrio as an actor.

I do find it a bit odd that apparently there was only one helicopter pilot on the island?

Yes! Masarani's death, though heroic was layered with ridiculousness. Sorry, I though the character deserved better treatment than that, and his death was both pointless and annoying due to the fact that he should not be the only helo pilot on the island! :confused:

I also agree about D'Onofrio and his versatility as an actor. I felt the same way about Chris Pratt and his role. Quite enjoyable and a different feel than Starlord or Kingpin.

Finally, the role of Wu. I personally found his character to be fascinating and really wish they had done more with him. I think his perspective and attitude towards genetic engineering, especially with regards is a fun, and new perspective to take on in a film. I'm hoping it gets explored more in the sequel, which seems pretty much guaranteed now.

Finally, and this is really my main frustration with the film, is that it hinges on some incompetence of ACU and the operations team to handle a crisis. I get that the I. Rex is a new dinosaur, but seriously? No contingency plans?
 
It seems that the Aviary was part of the official park tour, I thought it was just a containment area for the creatures since they obviously couldn't be allowed to fly over the park and were too dangerous to be an attraction. (Were the Raptors even part of the park tour?)

I don't think that the Raptors were part of the tour and were there mainly for experimentation purposes.

The aviary was part of the tour. The website for the film (the fictional one that makes it look like the Park is real) had video of the entry way for a while with people standing there. Now that the film's out all of their video feeds show people fleeing the island.
 
I hope Trevorrow stays away from the JW sequel.

Too many times a director has a huge hit and goes on the make a very disappointing sequel like Jon Favreau with Iron Man 2, or Whedon with AoU.

There is something nice about doing a huge breakout and walking off into the sunset to do other movies, and letting the next guy fuck up the sequel and get all the blame.

That should have happened with Spielberg! He should have quit after the first JP, and let some other guy do TLW!

Go out on top!

Instead of fans being disappointing with him for doing TLW, they would be blaming some other guy!
 
I hope Trevorrow stays away from the JW sequel.

Too many times a director has a huge hit and goes on the make a very disappointing sequel like Jon Favreau with Iron Man 2, or Whedon with AoU.

There is something nice about doing a huge breakout and walking off into the sunset to do other movies, and letting the next guy fuck up the sequel and get all the blame.

That should have happened with Spielberg! He should have quit after the first JP, and let some other guy do TLW!

Go out on top!

Instead of fans being disappointing with him for doing TLW, they would be blaming some other guy!

Given the money that is coming in, does that seem like a possibility?
 
Directors have changed their minds before-Most recently Sam Mendes said he didn't want to work on the next James Bond film, but decided to direct it (SPECTRE) anyway (We'll see how that works out).
 
<<The one thing they SHOULD have had were armored doors and panic rooms everywhere. That central corridor of the park was one big kill zone.>>

Well whatdoya know. I'm reading Jurassic Park the novel right now and when Grant gets to his hotel room there's a heavy metal door, thick iron bars over the skylight, and the windows are tiny reinforced glass. And the hotel is hidden behind a vast fence of twelve foot tall iron bars.

I guess Michael Crichton is smarter than most screenwriters. :p I should get around to reading the books some time. I've only ever read one of Crichton's novels (Rising Sun) but I really liked it. He has a fast, punchy writing style that really makes the story move, even when it's loaded with technical details.

Eh, I like almost all his books, but the Jurassic Park movie fixed at least as many problems as it caused. For instance, in the book the park actually gets fixed halfway through, then breaks down a second time because no one noticed that main power was never restored, so the whole park was running on auxiliary. The park is said to have permanent life signs scans on all the dinosaurs, yet completely fails to recognize that the dinosaurs are breeding (because some bozo in IT set the scans to count up to the number of dinosaurs that were supposed to be there and then stop). And the urgency of the story is based around the idea that Raptors (some of whom have been loose on the island the whole time) have stowed away aboard the last transport that left for the mainland and the ship has to be warned so it can turn around and come back before the raptors escape into the wild (because apparently raptors don't attack people if they know they're taking them some place nice).

In this particular case, I would say that going over the hotels, etc, would've been too much extraneous screen time for not nearly enough added plot value. Grant and Muldoon already did a good enough job making everyone nervous about the Raptors.

Jurassic World

My grade: B+

The movie is not without its flaws but it does manage to deliver in many of the ways the other sequels didn't mostly in showcasing the animals in much more... "romantic" way and treating them as animals rather than as typical movie monsters. There's a touching scene in the first movie where Dr. Grant marvels over a sick Triceratops prone on the ground, there's a similar scene here where Owen soothes a mortally wounded brachiosaurus.


I found this one of the most lacking aspects of the movie, actually. The first two films really treated the dinosaurs like animals. The third one put far less emphasis on that, but the dinosaurs still mostly acted like wild animals.

This movie is pretty much unequivocally a monster movie. I Rex is specifically stated as being designed to kill. And even the other more natural dinosaurs behave in ways that are just bizarre.

The Pterasaurs, for instance - I get that they're very territorial and like to attack people, but they just got kicked out of their nest (the only home they've ever known) by a massive, terrifying predator they've never seen before, plus a completely unnatural explosion, and yet their first instinct is to fly directly to the nearest group of humans and start attacking everyone? They should be seeking safety and security, not playing catch with baby triceratops.

That entire sequence made me feel like all of a sudden I was watching some 50s b movie horror flick - Invaders from the Sky! Especially when an obviously fish-eating animal with teeth that are clearly incapable of chewing started trying to eat people who are just as big as it was.

I really didn't like most of the human characters. I only felt sad when the raptors died.

The thing is that the dinosaurs have always been the stars of this franchise. The human characters are just there to move the plot along, or get eaten. ;)

That's the thing though - in the original movie, the characters were clearly defined, memorable, had a great effect on how you saw the dinosaurs and they were almost all perfectly placed to help move the plot along.

Here the characters are nebulous and ill-defined, have very little impact on our view of the animals (there are really only 2 points of view shown - that they're living things worthy of consideration and that they're just animals to be exploited, all the other possible points of view, like Muldoon who respected the animals but also feared them, are just missing) and often seem to serve almost no purpose at all in the story.

Why did we even need to see the kids' parents at all? What did those scenes add to the movie, other than the one 'touching' (but entirely insignificant) fact that the kids' parents are getting a divorce? What purpose does Claire's assistant serve other than being eaten? What is the point of Masrani's rambling philosophising when he ultimately just dies in a helicopter crash without getting anywhere near any kind of closure? Why do we care that Wu is so unscrupulous and unethical when he ultimately just disappears from the movie?

Basically, the only characters that were actually important in this movie where Owen and Claire and the military guy (in a much smaller capacity). Even the kids barely had any impact on the plot, although they were much better than most previous kids in the franchise.

And of those important characters, Claire is the one that gets almost all the definition, and it's almost all bad. She's actually one of the most annoying movie characters I've seen in a long time. There's no reason whatsoever why she acts the way she does, the movie tries to imply that she overcomes it, but it's never really earned. All she really does is determine not to let the kids die and give in to Owen's romantic advances (which aren't even all that convincing). Then at the end, after reuniting the kids with their parents and receiving her sister's forgiveness for being a jerk, she immediately walks off into the sunset with her new boyfriend. Almost no arc whatsoever.

Owen, of course, doesn't change at all and is never really defined in the first place. He's entertaining to watch, but his only real character trait is that he just sort of knows stuff - no idea HOW he knows any of this, though. Has he studied animals? Worked with them before? What makes him qualified to predict the Indominus' behavior, especially when he doesn't even know what kind of animal he's talking about? And if his knowledge is based on natural behavior patterns as the movie sort of vaguely seems to suggest, why is he proven correct when it's revealed that I Rex doesn't have natural behavior patterns (It was just bred to kill)?

Overall, I'd give it a C, maybe a C+. It looked nice (though I'd hoped for better), but the characters were massively disappointing, the dinosaurs themselves were less interesting than all the other films (I Rex was not at all impressive, and the Raptors being trained killed their menace - all other dinosaurs were bit players at best), the story was far too obsessed with callbacks to the previous movies (look, product placement! Gas Jeeps! A woman randomly screaming to attract lethal dinosaurs! The gate opening! Comforting a sick dinosaur!... sigh) and repeating the same old formula is getting really old. Why does a JP movie HAVE to have kids in danger? Why does it HAVE to take place on an island? Why does the main danger HAVE to be a big giant dinosaur, instead of smaller, deadlier ones?

Honestly, it wasn't the worst thing in the world, but I don't get the love for this one at all. No better than JP3.
 
Overall, I'd give it a C, maybe a C+. It looked nice (though I'd hoped for better), but the characters were massively disappointing, the dinosaurs themselves were less interesting than all the other films (I Rex was not at all impressive, and the Raptors being trained killed their menace - all other dinosaurs were bit players at best), the story was far too obsessed with callbacks to the previous movies (look, product placement! Gas Jeeps! A woman randomly screaming to attract lethal dinosaurs! The gate opening! Comforting a sick dinosaur!... sigh) and repeating the same old formula is getting really old. Why does a JP movie HAVE to have kids in danger? Why does it HAVE to take place on an island? Why does the main danger HAVE to be a big giant dinosaur, instead of smaller, deadlier ones?

Honestly, it wasn't the worst thing in the world, but I don't get the love for this one at all. No better than JP3.



I agree that the film was formulaic and the characterization was lacking. Claire and Owen being the closest to full characters, and Claire actually having an arc. I found them enjoyable enough, and Owen's presence, in particular, raised the movie's enjoyment level above Lost World and III.

The film really hinges around Owen's point of view and Claire's point of view on the dinos. The first being animals that need to be understood as animals that have needs, versus Claire's who views them as assets to be used. Most of the characters fall on either side, with Claire moving towards Owen's side, and surviving, and Hoskins staying on that side, and dying. Masarani is trying to straddle the fence but dies anyway. He really needed more character development and a less stupid way of dying.

Also, while I like Owen, his backstory his about the same as Muldoon's, if not more so. So, that's kind of a wash, in my opinion.

The other character that I think was very interesting, and really a concept not explored in this way before is Wu's. In his mind, he is just a scientist, working to develop and design and make creatures and advance understanding of genetics. The film casts in him a nebulous or negative light, but his whole attitude of just being a scientist is fascinating to me. He isn't an evil scientist, but his work has pushed him to certain limits.

I disagree that the film treated the dinosaurs like monsters, at least any less so than the other films have in the past. The only exception be I. rex but that was by design, and kind of stupid, in my opinion. Also, it's amazing that they have response teams that apparently are unprepared to deal with something as big as I. rex even though they have a T-rex in the park.

I didn't mind the callbacks, but they got a little bit tired with the old jeeps.

Personally, the film feels much more like a sequel to the original Jurassic Park than either of the other two did, because it feels like a natural outgrowth of the Jurassic Park model, in that there were bugs, and someone came in and decided to invest in it even more to try and make it work. The problem is the lack of distinct characters that I can actually care about, aside from not wanting the kids to die, but that is more of a visceral reaction for me.
 
I agree that the film was formulaic and the characterization was lacking. Claire and Owen being the closest to full characters, and Claire actually having an arc. I found them enjoyable enough, and Owen's presence, in particular, raised the movie's enjoyment level above Lost World and III.

I found Grant's presence in JPIII equally enjoyable to Owen here, and I understood him better, too, so coupled with the irritating side characters in this one, that's why I would put this on pretty much equal fotting with that one.

The film really hinges around Owen's point of view and Claire's point of view on the dinos. The first being animals that need to be understood as animals that have needs, versus Claire's who views them as assets to be used. Most of the characters fall on either side, with Claire moving towards Owen's side, and surviving, and Hoskins staying on that side, and dying. Masarani is trying to straddle the fence but dies anyway. He really needed more character development and a less stupid way of dying.

Agreed.

Also, while I like Owen, his backstory his about the same as Muldoon's, if not more so. So, that's kind of a wash, in my opinion.

But Muldoon is a secondary character who exists primarily to give the others a chance to escape. Owen is the main character of the movie (along with Claire).

The other character that I think was very interesting, and really a concept not explored in this way before is Wu's. In his mind, he is just a scientist, working to develop and design and make creatures and advance understanding of genetics. The film casts in him a nebulous or negative light, but his whole attitude of just being a scientist is fascinating to me. He isn't an evil scientist, but his work has pushed him to certain limits.

I agree with this as well. Wu was very well done in this movie. It's just hard to be very excited about it, since he was barely in the movie to begin.

I disagree that the film treated the dinosaurs like monsters, at least any less so than the other films have in the past. The only exception be I. rex but that was by design, and kind of stupid, in my opinion. Also, it's amazing that they have response teams that apparently are unprepared to deal with something as big as I. rex even though they have a T-rex in the park.

Well, the I Rex was by far the main dinosaur. Also, as I already mentioned, the Pterosaurs were very much on monster movie mode as well. The Raptors were probably treated more like people than monsters (all of a sudden they have crises of loyalty?). Everything else was a tiny cameo.

Personally, the film feels much more like a sequel to the original Jurassic Park than either of the other two did, because it feels like a natural outgrowth of the Jurassic Park model, in that there were bugs, and someone came in and decided to invest in it even more to try and make it work. The problem is the lack of distinct characters that I can actually care about, aside from not wanting the kids to die, but that is more of a visceral reaction for me.

I can agree with that. This is pretty much the only sequel which really tried to have some kind of point to the story (well, the Lost World tried, I guess, but it was mangled beyond recognition), and that's the one thing I'll give this one as being better than JPIII (although, JPIII ultimately did benefit from just going full action movie and not trying so hard to be deep). I just wish the point would've been, you know, an expansion on what was already in the original, not rehashing the exact same ground, only now with less nuance and more ridiculously unbelievable arrogance.
 
I agree that the film was formulaic and the characterization was lacking. Claire and Owen being the closest to full characters, and Claire actually having an arc. I found them enjoyable enough, and Owen's presence, in particular, raised the movie's enjoyment level above Lost World and III.

I found Grant's presence in JPIII equally enjoyable to Owen here, and I understood him better, too, so coupled with the irritating side characters in this one, that's why I would put this on pretty much equal fotting with that one.


That's fair. I enjoyed Owen's character, because he feels like an everyman type of a person. That may be in Pratt's performance, but I could appreciate both his point of view, and his pragmatic attitude.

The film really hinges around Owen's point of view and Claire's point of view on the dinos. The first being animals that need to be understood as animals that have needs, versus Claire's who views them as assets to be used. Most of the characters fall on either side, with Claire moving towards Owen's side, and surviving, and Hoskins staying on that side, and dying. Masarani is trying to straddle the fence but dies anyway. He really needed more character development and a less stupid way of dying.
Agreed.


Thanks :)


But Muldoon is a secondary character who exists primarily to give the others a chance to escape. Owen is the main character of the movie (along with Claire).
Good point.


I agree with this as well. Wu was very well done in this movie. It's just hard to be very excited about it, since he was barely in the movie to begin.
Wu would be better served by given more screen time.


I disagree that the film treated the dinosaurs like monsters, at least any less so than the other films have in the past. The only exception be I. rex but that was by design, and kind of stupid, in my opinion. Also, it's amazing that they have response teams that apparently are unprepared to deal with something as big as I. rex even though they have a T-rex in the park.
Well, the I Rex was by far the main dinosaur. Also, as I already mentioned, the Pterosaurs were very much on monster movie mode as well. The Raptors were probably treated more like people than monsters (all of a sudden they have crises of loyalty?). Everything else was a tiny cameo.
The Pterosuars were, in my opinion, unnecessary.


I was thinking on this idea, as to what to do to raise the stakes and that is, don't attack the tourists. Evacuate them to ferries, which are present for such an eventuality, but they can't leave because...reasons (I haven't gotten that far yet.


The I. Rex becomes a ticking time bomb, moving closer and closer to the ferries, where the people can see it, and yet are powerless to escape. The rest proceeds as the film did, but now the people are spectators as much as the movie.



Personally, the film feels much more like a sequel to the original Jurassic Park than either of the other two did, because it feels like a natural outgrowth of the Jurassic Park model, in that there were bugs, and someone came in and decided to invest in it even more to try and make it work. The problem is the lack of distinct characters that I can actually care about, aside from not wanting the kids to die, but that is more of a visceral reaction for me.
I can agree with that. This is pretty much the only sequel which really tried to have some kind of point to the story (well, the Lost World tried, I guess, but it was mangled beyond recognition), and that's the one thing I'll give this one as being better than JPIII (although, JPIII ultimately did benefit from just going full action movie and not trying so hard to be deep). I just wish the point would've been, you know, an expansion on what was already in the original, not rehashing the exact same ground, only now with less nuance and more ridiculously unbelievable arrogance.


I agree. Arrogance comes across too much for me from most of the characters, and the pretentiousness of much of the main characters made them hard to sympathize with. No argument there.


I just I find Jurassic World enjoyable, but it could have been a lot more.
 
I agree. Arrogance comes across too much for me from most of the characters, and the pretentiousness of much of the main characters made them hard to sympathize with. No argument there.

The arrogance was intended.

The Park was up and running, something Hammond never managed, until the events of Jurassic World, there had been no incidents since it opened and after the disaster in Jurassic Park, they (In Gen) went to Nubla and actually built the park while the island was populated with Dinosaurs (remember it's the original T-Rex) they were making a shit tonne of money and Wu and his gang of mad scientists had perfected making these extinct animals from 65 million years ago. Finally, the powers that be at Jurassic World thought they could play god and just like in the first roll of the dice, it was just a matter of time till things went spectacularly tits up.
 
I agree. Arrogance comes across too much for me from most of the characters, and the pretentiousness of much of the main characters made them hard to sympathize with. No argument there.

The arrogance was intended.

The Park was up and running, something Hammond never managed, until the events of Jurassic World, there had been no incidents since it opened and after the disaster in Jurassic Park, they (In Gen) went to Nubla and actually built the park while the island was populated with Dinosaurs (remember it's the original T-Rex) they were making a shit tonne of money and Wu and his gang of mad scientists had perfected making these extinct animals from 65 million years ago. Finally, the powers that be at Jurassic World thought they could play god and just like in the first roll of the dice, it was just a matter of time till things went spectacularly tits up.

All of which would make sense if we were just talking about the level of arrogance of believing that creating dinosaurs won't lead to trouble or even the level of arrogance of thinking they could just throw together a completely new dinosaur without carefully planning what it would be. The arrogance in this movie, though, is a whole other level beyond that. They deliberately created a Raptor/T-rex hybrid which was 50 feet long, strong enough to smash through all their defenses, smart enough to outwit humans AND capable of rendering itself perfectly invisible in the visual AND infrared spectrums. That's not even arrogance anymore, it's outright insanity.

Anyway, even in so far as the arrogance of those characters who didn't take part in this insanity is a deliberate part of the film's message, it's still far too heavy-handed and really drags the movie down.
 
I agree. Arrogance comes across too much for me from most of the characters, and the pretentiousness of much of the main characters made them hard to sympathize with. No argument there.

The arrogance was intended.

The Park was up and running, something Hammond never managed, until the events of Jurassic World, there had been no incidents since it opened and after the disaster in Jurassic Park, they (In Gen) went to Nubla and actually built the park while the island was populated with Dinosaurs (remember it's the original T-Rex) they were making a shit tonne of money and Wu and his gang of mad scientists had perfected making these extinct animals from 65 million years ago. Finally, the powers that be at Jurassic World thought they could play god and just like in the first roll of the dice, it was just a matter of time till things went spectacularly tits up.

All of which would make sense if we were just talking about the level of arrogance of believing that creating dinosaurs won't lead to trouble or even the level of arrogance of thinking they could just throw together a completely new dinosaur without carefully planning what it would be. The arrogance in this movie, though, is a whole other level beyond that. They deliberately created a Raptor/T-rex hybrid which was 50 feet long, strong enough to smash through all their defenses, smart enough to outwit humans AND capable of rendering itself perfectly invisible in the visual AND infrared spectrums. That's not even arrogance anymore, it's outright insanity.

Anyway, even in so far as the arrogance of those characters who didn't take part in this insanity is a deliberate part of the film's message, it's still far too heavy-handed and really drags the movie down.

These questionable actions and the duplicity of InGen are the perfect setup (they positively telegraphed that in the film) for the next film.

I'm not quite sure now, but InGen wasn't all peaches and cream in the original book, was it?
 
The arrogance was intended.

The Park was up and running, something Hammond never managed, until the events of Jurassic World, there had been no incidents since it opened and after the disaster in Jurassic Park, they (In Gen) went to Nubla and actually built the park while the island was populated with Dinosaurs (remember it's the original T-Rex) they were making a shit tonne of money and Wu and his gang of mad scientists had perfected making these extinct animals from 65 million years ago. Finally, the powers that be at Jurassic World thought they could play god and just like in the first roll of the dice, it was just a matter of time till things went spectacularly tits up.

All of which would make sense if we were just talking about the level of arrogance of believing that creating dinosaurs won't lead to trouble or even the level of arrogance of thinking they could just throw together a completely new dinosaur without carefully planning what it would be. The arrogance in this movie, though, is a whole other level beyond that. They deliberately created a Raptor/T-rex hybrid which was 50 feet long, strong enough to smash through all their defenses, smart enough to outwit humans AND capable of rendering itself perfectly invisible in the visual AND infrared spectrums. That's not even arrogance anymore, it's outright insanity.

Anyway, even in so far as the arrogance of those characters who didn't take part in this insanity is a deliberate part of the film's message, it's still far too heavy-handed and really drags the movie down.

These questionable actions and the duplicity of InGen are the perfect setup (they positively telegraphed that in the film) for the next film.

I'm not quite sure now, but InGen wasn't all peaches and cream in the original book, was it?

Of course it wasn't. But there's a difference between unethical and insane. No military would actually want an I. Rex, except perhaps for terrorist groups. If you buy a weapon bigger than a tank and invisible, you want to be able to control it, not just hopefully point it in the right direction.

And I'm sorry, but if the best idea they can think of for the next movie is Raptor Commandos in the Middle East, then they're better off just not making one.
 
All of which would make sense if we were just talking about the level of arrogance of believing that creating dinosaurs won't lead to trouble or even the level of arrogance of thinking they could just throw together a completely new dinosaur without carefully planning what it would be. The arrogance in this movie, though, is a whole other level beyond that. They deliberately created a Raptor/T-rex hybrid which was 50 feet long, strong enough to smash through all their defenses, smart enough to outwit humans AND capable of rendering itself perfectly invisible in the visual AND infrared spectrums. That's not even arrogance anymore, it's outright insanity.

Anyway, even in so far as the arrogance of those characters who didn't take part in this insanity is a deliberate part of the film's message, it's still far too heavy-handed and really drags the movie down.

These questionable actions and the duplicity of InGen are the perfect setup (they positively telegraphed that in the film) for the next film.

I'm not quite sure now, but InGen wasn't all peaches and cream in the original book, was it?

Of course it wasn't. But there's a difference between unethical and insane. No military would actually want an I. Rex, except perhaps for terrorist groups. If you buy a weapon bigger than a tank and invisible, you want to be able to control it, not just hopefully point it in the right direction.

And I'm sorry, but if the best idea they can think of for the next movie is Raptor Commandos in the Middle East, then they're better off just not making one.

:lol:

You are over-thinking this, I'm afraid.

Jurassic World is a very good film and captures the tone of the original book far better than the other movies.
It's not on Gone with the Wind or Towering Inferno levels of good, but it delivers what it promises: Mindless, escapist fun.
 
They need to bring back Samuel L. Jackson as a one armed scared man looking for the raptor who took his arm, kind of like their version of Captain Ahab. :techman:
 
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