Jonathan Frakes: "TATV an unpleasent memory"

[RandyS]

As a Borg Drone, Seven would have been made to answer for the Collective'scrimes.TheDoctor's program had been enhanced over and over again. Starfleet Medical would have wanted to bring him in and study him.

No. Seven was a victim of the Borg, just as Picard was. ALL drones are victims.

True, but I'm sure there was a Starfleet officer or civilian out there someplace that would have wanted to haul her in and make her answer for what the Borg did. Hell, Seven herself said that she stopped being a victim the first time she assimilated somebody else.

 

[cooleddie74]

As a Borg Drone, Seven would have been made to answer for the Collective'scrimes.TheDoctor's program had been enhanced over and over again. Starfleet Medical would have wanted to bring him in and study him.

No. Seven was a victim of the Borg, just as Picard was. ALL drones are victims.

True, but I'm sure there was a Starfleet officer or civilian out there someplace that would have wanted to haul her in and make her answer for what the Borg did. Hell, Seven herself said that she stopped being a victim the first time she assimilated somebody else.

In an ideal setting, Seven should have been put under quarantine by Starfleet Security until the experts could have determined from tests and questioning that she was no longer a viable threat having been separated from the Collective for so many years. She'd have been taken into quiet custody not long after Voyager's crew shuttled or beamed back down to Earth for all the arrival celebrations.

 

[Admiral Shran]

Or they could have simply given her command of the flagship with no questions asked whatsoever, like they did with someone else.

 

[cooleddie74]

Are you saying TREK decisions sometimes go against all logic?

Blasphemer.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

As a Borg Drone, Seven would have been made to answer for the Collective'scrimes.TheDoctor's program had been enhanced over and over again. Starfleet Medical would have wanted to bring him in and study him.

No. Seven was a victim of the Borg, just as Picard was. ALL drones are victims.

True, but I'm sure there was a Starfleet officer or civilian out there someplace that would have wanted to haul her in and make her answer for what the Borg did. Hell, Seven herself said that she stopped being a victim the first time she assimilated somebody else.

You mean like with Picard the guy who as a Borg LEAD the invasion after being assimilated instead of just being a grunt Borg like Seven. oh wait..........

 

[cooleddie74]

Let's face it. As hit-or-miss as VOYAGER's writing was we probably shouldn't have been surprised if Seven got nothing but a lecture circuit offer and a slap on the wrist after the ship got home.

 

[bluedana]

Perhaps we could meander back to the topic which is ENT's finale, not VOY's? Thanks.

 

[cooleddie74]

ENT's finale sucked the business end of a water buffalo. And I still have issues with the genius decision to make this a truncated one-hour final episode that strayed from the recent TREK tradition of two-hour, movie-like finales that went all out to entertain and pull in viewers. It blew...but perhaps if it had lasted two hours instead of just one it might have been a lot better. The additional time might have given the ENTERPRISE cast more of a chance to shine for the last time. Forty-three extra minutes of episode could have allowed the lesser NX-01 characters like Travis and Hoshi to have a little more character development to round out their lives and careers in Starfleet. And scenes like that could have potentially rescued "TATV" from turkey status and rendered it a faint or mild disappointment instead of the Fail Bomb it was.

 

[Captain Robert April]

Considering the hatchet job they did on Trip in the hour they had, it's better that they were limited in the amount of damage they were able to do.

Another hour of that dross and they might've found a way to take down the whole franchise.

 

[SeerSGB]

TATV just seemed mean spirited. Spiteful towards the fans and the cast of the show. I'm not a big Enterprise fan-- only like about 3 or 4 episodes, really-- but TATV just made me feel bad. Not cause the show was ending, but because the show and the loyal fans were getting pissed on by the producers. It was bad enough to fold TNG era characters into the finale (I like me some Riker and Troi, but that's the sort of thing in any other episode but the end). They then shoe horn the story into a good TNG episode and neuter Riker's choice to out Preston; by making it less about doing the right thing cause he was faced with the result of his past acts but because he saw Trip killed in a holoprogram.

It just had a very insulting and spiteful feel to it.

 

[cooleddie74]

^
And Brannon Braga calling it a "Valentine to the fans" was a kick in the rear end. A real "Valentine" would have focused on the series' actual cast members and not on two characters from another show in the franchise...a show that had been off the air for 11 years and had only the most tenuous connections to the prequel. A "Valentine" would have let Archer, Trip, T'Pol and all the others we'd grown to love(or at least respect)shine in their last hour on national television and wrapped up the NX-01's missions in a satisfying and memorable manner.

If that is Braga's idea of a "Valentine" I'd hate to see his concept of a Dear John letter. (*Sigh*)

 

[SeerSGB]

If, IF, they had to have a "Guest cast", why not it be Riker and Troi on the Titan, Transporting some artificate from the NX-01 (log beacon or something) back to Starfleet and it containing the ship's final mission log. Wouldn't have needed any new sets for the Titan, least nothing they couldn't bash together like they did the 1701-D stuff. Riker and Troi frame the open of the episode, the middle commercial break, and cap the end, and the A story is pure NX-01 crew.

 

[cooleddie74]

^
That's a far better idea than the episode we got. A shame that a real *fan* of the series didn't get to write the finale. It would have been risky to allow an average fan to pen the last episode, but no riskier than letting the egos of Berman and Braga run hogwild as they masturbated to memories of their beloved TNG.

 

[number6]

A shame a "fan" didn't write it.. We could have gotten something like Of Gods and Men or something of similar quality. As lackluster as TATV was, I preferred that over any fan offering, with the exception of Exeter and Phase II. Most other fan efforts are so completely unwatchable it makes TATV look like Citizen Kane.

 

[Admiral Shran]

Perhaps we could meander back to the topic which is ENT's finale, not VOY's? Thanks.

It bears repeating....

TATV RUINED MY LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[number6]

Ruined your life?? Really??

 

[Admiral Shran]

I like hyperbole.

 

[number6]

Hyperbole sorely loses its impact when used this way. I would love to actually meet someone whose life was really ruined by an episode of Star Trek, that is, if he/she hasn't already offed himself/herself because of the sheer episodic ruination.
I could really use the laugh.

 

[cooleddie74]

Of course it didn't ruin anyone's life. But the episode is so thuddingly disappointing that hyperbole is the best way to deal with it.

After 18 years of continuous STAR TREK episodes on American television, *this* was how B&B saw fit to end things? Even if UPN had stuck to their guns about limiting the finale to just one hour the Beebs could have allowed Manny Coto to participate in the writing and thereby lessen the chances that the thing would suck so badly. It wasn't that the aesthetic quality of "TATV" is up for debate. Visually it was quite competent(if you don't count the inability of the creators to match Troi's hairstyle to her look in "The Pegasus"...something that could have easily been done with a stupid wig even *IF* Sirtis was 11 years older). 99% of our issues deal with the specifics of the script. It was a bad script. End of story. Some people can try to gloss over the quality of the story all they want, but you can't turn this sow's ear into a silk purse no matter how much one puts their fingers in their ears and goes Na-na-na-na-na.

So...no. "TATV" didn't ruin anything for me. Except my concept of what a STAR TREK series finale should be after investing years in the program.

 

[Middleman]

Cooleddie74: Well Said.