Joker Origin Story Announced

[Mr. Adventure]

OK Boomer











* sorry couldn't resist

 

[Ovation]

Touché.

(But just this once )

 

[Mr. Adventure]

In all seriousness, I can see where one prefers the approach of DC over Marvel, I just don't see the need to try to dismiss the whole genre to make the point. While it may have been borne out of necessity, DC seems to be exploring the value of allowing some movies to have a more standalone approach which I do like. It will be interesting to see if the Marvel approach holds up post-Endgame or if the weight of it starts to take a toll. Perhaps the releasing of New Mutants is testing the waters a little bit with that idea and the already sunk costs making it an easy experiment.

 

[Ovation]

I have all the MCU, X-Men, Spider-Man (all 3 actors), Superman, Batman, DCEU,
movies, so it’s not that I don’t like them. My favourites are DCEU but that’s like TOS is my favourite Trek—I like all of it. Just not equally. Same (so far) is true of superhero movies. But in the grand scheme of things, I fully expect them to be like westerns—no longer dominant but not entirely gone. And there’s nothing wrong with that. Fashion changes.

 

[Anwar]

Honestly, who cares whether they keep making Marvel movies? The superhero thing will subside eventually in any event. Most people are too young to remember the near absolute pop culture dominance of the American Western for several decades. In a less technologically sophisticated entertainment environment that genre satisfied much of the same audience appetites that superhero movies do now.

This "The Bubble will burst" nonsense again?

 

[fireproof78]

I'm worried this will trigger a new wave of "In Name Only" adaptations like the Halle Berry Catwoman movies, after all the hard work put into CBMs that aren't ashamed of themselves anymore.

And if they do? Who cares.

 

[BillJ]

This "The Bubble will burst" nonsense again?

They all do. You know the old adage, "what goes up, must come down". Eventually people will move onto something else.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Meanwhile in 2020, I'm watching new Star Wars, Star Trek, Doctor Who and James Bond shows and movies of stuff I watched since I was a kid. I won't be too sad when the bubbles burst, I might be retired by then and able to actually keep up with all the stuff I've missed.

 

[fireproof78]

They all do. You know the old adage, "what goes up, must come down". Eventually people will move onto something else.

Everything is cyclical.

 

[JD]

Yeah, these kind of fads never last forever. It will be interesting to see what happens with the next few comic movies, I could easily see Endgame being the point where things start to drop off a bit. It was just so big there's really nowhere to go but down. I saw someone on the Birds of Prey thread say it had the lowest DC movie opening, so it could even be starting already. The big tests will be Black Widow and The Eternals.
I'd also just like to reassure everyone that not all of us MCU fans are like Anwar, I just saw and loved Birds of Prey, and Wonder Woman, and New Mutants are two of my other most anticipated movies of the year.

 

[Danja]

I just streamed Joker.

It was a tough, intense, brutal film (I couldn't watch it in one sitting; I had to stop and restart the thing several times just to get through it).

 

[BillJ]

I just streamed Joker.

It was a tough, intense, brutal film (I couldn't watch it in one sitting; I had to stop and restart the thing several times just to get through it).

But did you like it?

 

[Danja]

But did you like it?

It was a good picture. It deserves all of its Oscar nominations.

It wasn't the easiest thing to sit through, though. YMMV.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

They all do. You know the old adage, "what goes up, must come down". Eventually people will move onto something else.

Everything is cyclical.

I agree with this but at the same time I always have to point out that 'nothing lasts forever' is not really the same thing as 'eventually the bubble must burst'.

Yes, Superheroes won't be on top forever but that doesn't automatically mean that they will crash and burn en masse when they lose the top spot. Westerns arguably have done so (though even now some still get made and gain real success), but other genres have simply been on top for a while and then dimmed in some without ever becoming truly unpopular. Superhero movies could easily do the same.

 

[captainkirk]

Your fear of the TrekBBS taking over Hollywood is unwarranted.

Does that mean my dream of TrekBBS taking over Hollywood is unrealistic?

 

[Danja]

Why Joker deserves Best Picture:

https://www.esquire.com/entertainme...st-picture-at-the-2020-oscars-academy-awards/

 

[Danja]

THE DARK KNIGHT did deserve it. If it happens tonight, it's a retroactive insult.

You think Hollywood has a memory?

I hope Joaquin does better than Heath (the part literally killed Heath Ledger ).

 

[BillJ]

THE DARK KNIGHT did deserve it. If it happens tonight, it's a retroactive insult.

This comment makes no sense.

 

[Danja]

I think if Ledger and Phoenix both won, it would invalidate the prestige of the Academy in their own eyes. Two Jokers in 11 years. For this reason I don't believe Phoenix can win. It's Banderas time.

Why would it invalidate the Academy?

They're two completely different performances. Phoenix's Joker is much harder, much grittier ... much more realistic than Ledger's.

Ledger's Joker is much more theatrical, much more OTT (nowhere NEAR as OTT as Nicholson's, though).

 

[Captaindemotion]

I think if Ledger and Phoenix both won, it would invalidate the prestige of the Academy in their own eyes. Two Jokers in 11 years. For this reason I don't believe Phoenix can win. It's Banderas time.

Brando and DeNiro both won for playing Don Corleone 2 years apart.