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Joker Origin Story Announced

So, a story can never be reimagined, mythos expanded upon, etc.? What a sad state of affairs then. :wtf:

So if they made Batman a heroin addicted Jazz critic, you'd be fine with it?

You didn’t answer the question: have you seen it?

Reluctantly.

Let's be perfectly honest, this was a matter of interpretation at the very best, meaning the viewer sees what he/she wants to see, and you saw what you wanted to see in order to even attempt to legitimize your criticism.

And then the director himself has to come out and outright tell us because he realized Arthur didn't come off as 100% in the right like he wanted.

You're talking about the actor Marvel Studios tried and failed to get for Doctor Strange. I'm guessing you forgot about that.

Cumberbatch was always the first choice, Phoenix was one of the replacements before Cumberbatch changed his mind and joined up.
 
So if they made Batman a heroin addicted Jazz critic, you'd be fine with it?
If the story is told well and develops the character, then yes. It isn't ruining any prior versions (which is impossible, given the number of Batman iterations out there) and is an opportunity to explore and comment upon real world challenges.

These characters are not locked in stone. They are similar to mythology and adapt to the age. It's up to the audience t watch or don't watch, as they see fit.
 
So if they made Batman a heroin addicted Jazz critic, you'd be fine with it?

I haven't read this, but I just Googled Batman as an addict and came up with Batman: Venom. It's written by Dennis O'Neil, who wrote the story of Speedy's heroin addiction [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowbirds_Don't_Fly].

I don't believe that Bruce Wayne, the heroin addict is a giant leap from there. I've personally known addicts who all had fewer personal issues than Bruce Wayne has in pretty much every iteration.

As for the jazz critic part, Bruce Wayne, the guest star critic on a Gotham radio jazz show could easily work, especially in connection to some charity somehow.

Batman, the heroin addicted jazz critic ain't a deal breaker.
 
They really ought to take a hard look at who Batman is: an emotionally damaged vigilante who gets away with it because he's obscenely wealthy and has friends in law enforcement.


If Bruce Wayne is broke, he's Rorschach.
 
:lol: The liberties taken with the source materials in the MCU are wide enough to drive a tank through.
Agreed. There's only been a handful of moments that have been lifted directly from the source material, even stories that bear the name of a story from the comics. Age of Ultron was completely in name only. The only moment from The Winter Soldier that was lifted directly from the comics was the "who the hell is Bucky" scene. Civil War lifted a couple images from classic comic stories, but they went their own way with the story. They took Cap's "no, you move" speech to Spider-Man and had Peggy deliver it to Steve from beyond the grave instead. The only moment from Infinity War that was from the source material was the snap and one line from Ebony Maw that was originally spoken by Mephisto in the comics
 
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"INO" is not a criticism, just a lazy, provocative acronym that signals "change and creativity are bad."

Joker's a damned good movie. Why should anyone give a fuck that it's the 14,577th version of the character? Audiences sure don't.
 
And then the director himself has to come out and outright tell us because he realized Arthur didn't come off as 100% in the right like he wanted.

Well, when there are people like you who desperately want to delegitimize the movie, and those articles smearing the movie as a glorification of Incels and Trumpians were around before it was even released, I guess he felt obligated to clarify. And I don't blame him.

Cumberbatch was always the first choice, Phoenix was one of the replacements before Cumberbatch changed his mind and joined up.

Sure.

They don't go as far as INO level storytelling, though.

So, MCU Thanos is in love with Death?
 
So you would be fine if they made Alfred a child molester and Batman a heroin addicted Jazz critic?

Have you checked out the animated movie "Batman: Gotham by Gaslight"?
... James Gordon.

It was fine. It was an Elseworld. It worked for that story. I personally really liked it.

He was fine spreading it, and the overpopulation thing was something he mentioned in the comics once.

Once. As a ruse. But they still didn't include the character's literal love for Death in the movie. Why? It couldn't be that they were ashamed of the source material, could it?
 
Have you checked out the animated movie "Batman: Gotham by Gaslight"?
... James Gordon.

It was fine. It was an Elseworld. It worked for that story. I personally really liked it.

It was okay, but as an accepted AU. They did Harvey Dent rotten in that flick.

Once. As a ruse. But they still didn't include the character's literal love for Death in the movie. Why? It couldn't be that they were ashamed of the source material, could it?

No, they drew from various bits. Even him "retiring" to be a farmer.

MCU Thanos is a boring cartoon.

That's just an excuse by folks who can't see past that he isn't human and they put real effort into his look. As opposed to just painting Brolin purple.

He's better than FOX Magneto and not as lazily written as Nolan Joker. Or as ridiculous as Sherlock Moriarty. Or as one-note as Nolan Talia/Bane/Ra's Al Ghul.

And he isn't a generic "loner becomes a psycho because of how over-the-top awful everyone around him is" character either, like Arthur.
 
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