Spoilers Joker: Folie à Deux
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Box office fell 77% after opening weekend. It's going to finish third this weekend.
This is the sequel to the movie that was a superficial homage to Taxi Driver, seems like an appropriate ending.
82% and 4th place.
Meanwhile for 3% of what that cost "Terrifier 3" will make seventeen million in it's opening weekend.
Box Office: ‘Terrifier 3’ is No. 1 Clown as ‘Joker 2’ Suffers Record Fall and ‘Apprentice’ Gets Fired
The Donald Trump feature 'The Apprentice' is among several Oscar hopefuls opening nationwide to sluggish numbers, including Jason Reitman's 'Saturday Night.'
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82% and 4th place.
Meanwhile for 3% of what that cost "Terrifier 3" will make seventeen million in it's opening weekend.
Box Office: ‘Terrifier 3’ is No. 1 Clown as ‘Joker 2’ Suffers Record Fall and ‘Apprentice’ Gets Fired
The Donald Trump feature 'The Apprentice' is among several Oscar hopefuls opening nationwide to sluggish numbers, including Jason Reitman's 'Saturday Night.'
Is it wrong to not even know there was a Terrifier 1 & 2?
I don't have a clue as to what Terrifier even is.
There was a member of another Visual Arts forum that I occasionally lurk/check in on, who, in the weeks leading up to the movie's release, was posting that the box office failure of The Marvels and Ant-Man proved that the Marvel formula had worn out its welcome and that the audience was ready for dark R-rated superhero movies with lots of graphic violence, swearing, sex and drugs and that Phoenix and Gaga were going to put butts in the seats and said that this movie was going to be the number one movie of the year, earning well over a billion dollars and earn Oscar nominations for the two actor.
He was right about audiences wanting R-rated superhero movies, just wrong about which R-rated movie it would be.
He did post a mea-culpa a few days after Joker's release, saying he couldn't believe how wrong he was.
He was right about audiences wanting R-rated superhero movies, just wrong about which R-rated movie it would be.
He did post a mea-culpa a few days after Joker's release, saying he couldn't believe how wrong he was.
Am I the first poster to have actually seen it?
So here's the thing. It isn't quite the disaster it's painted out to be.
That doesn't mean it's good of course, just not completely without positives, Phoenix and Gaga are both superb, and it looks great, the courtroom scenes are, fun’s probably the wrong word, but engaging, and some of the song and dance routines in Arthur’s head are cool, but that’s part of the problem, too much of it is in Arthur’s head. I loved the first one but it absolutely did not need a sequel.
I don’t know what kind of film Phillips was making, I can’t figure if we’re supposed to even empathise with Arthur or not, and I hate that history has sorta been rewritten given it now appears that when Arthur broke into his neighbour’s apartment in the first one he didn’t do anything and when she told him to go he just went.
The story is flaccid, which is a shame given the talent involved, and at over two hours it feels bloated.
I think the fairest thing I can say about it is that I’ve seen a hell of a lot worse, which again isn’t a fantastic defence. I will watch Joker again, I’m not sure I’ll rewatch this one.
So here's the thing. It isn't quite the disaster it's painted out to be.
That doesn't mean it's good of course, just not completely without positives, Phoenix and Gaga are both superb, and it looks great, the courtroom scenes are, fun’s probably the wrong word, but engaging, and some of the song and dance routines in Arthur’s head are cool, but that’s part of the problem, too much of it is in Arthur’s head. I loved the first one but it absolutely did not need a sequel.
I don’t know what kind of film Phillips was making, I can’t figure if we’re supposed to even empathise with Arthur or not, and I hate that history has sorta been rewritten given it now appears that when Arthur broke into his neighbour’s apartment in the first one he didn’t do anything and when she told him to go he just went.
The story is flaccid, which is a shame given the talent involved, and at over two hours it feels bloated.
I think the fairest thing I can say about it is that I’ve seen a hell of a lot worse, which again isn’t a fantastic defence. I will watch Joker again, I’m not sure I’ll rewatch this one.
Thanks for the review. I've always been planning to watch this when it comes to a streaming service, even before the reviews started coming out. Nice to know there will be something in the movie worth watching.
I never assumed it was. Only that the first one was a flash in the pan and no one was really looking for a second one. I think Joker 2 was sunk mostly with indifference, just as other sequels to billion dollar babies Aquaman 2 and The Marvels were.
It feels like studios really don't wanna make any money anymore, doesn't it?
I think in Joker 2's case, the studio were kind of stuck. They had the director of the highest-grossing R rated movie of all time telling them he wanted to make another one, so they had to greenlight it. No choice. Making sequels and milking franchises is how the business operates these days.
But making such a profitable film gave the director the power to make the sequel their way, without any interference by the folks in charge of DC Comics movies, so they had to hope that his instincts would pay off a second time. Especially as they didn't even do test screenings.
So it's more like Todd Phillips and Joaquin Phoenix didn't want to make any money... aside from the huge sacks of cash that Warners paid them.
But making such a profitable film gave the director the power to make the sequel their way, without any interference by the folks in charge of DC Comics movies, so they had to hope that his instincts would pay off a second time. Especially as they didn't even do test screenings.
So it's more like Todd Phillips and Joaquin Phoenix didn't want to make any money... aside from the huge sacks of cash that Warners paid them.
WB must really be panicking, they moved the VOD release date from December to October 29th.
I think I'd somehow assumed the reverse, that the studio had strongarmed Phillips and Phoenix into doing a sequel rather than the other way around and that creative freedom, as well as wheelbarrows full of cash, were part of the price the studio had to pay to get director and star back on board?
After Ledger won his posthumous Oscar for THE DARK KNIGHT I never imagined a second Joker would win, this time as the lead. It made me feel bad for Cesar Romero, as he was passed over in 1966.
The odds on Phoenix getting nominated twice for the same role were therefore poor from the get-go. You might need GODFATHER-quality status, yet you likely couldn't win twice anyway. ( I realize two Oscars went to ''Vito Corleone,'' though it was actually two separate actors two years apart.)
I just saw the movie and I think it was really good. Not as good as the first but it will be seen as a Cult Classic soon as people stop being upset he didn't fight Batman or the movie wasn't A Joker/Harley Quinn movie like "Natural Born Killers."
just saw the movie. Thought it was good. Just not crazy about the ending.
Damn, we've finally got three people who saw the movie and they all liked it. We should've had a poll!
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