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John's Star Trek Timeline Discussion

Did any of Trek '09's backstory happen to the TOS characters? (In which I open the gigantic can of worms of asking if anything established in ST09 should also apply to the Prime Universe)
Discovery's "Lethe" ties strongly into ST'09's young Spock/Vulcan council scene. And in season 2, Disco Spock said some of the same things Kelvin Spock did about time travel, word-for-word. But that opens up another can of worms: Did Sarek and Amanda adopt Michael Burnham in the Kelvin Universe?
 
Discovery's "Lethe" ties strongly into ST'09's young Spock/Vulcan council scene. And in season 2, Disco Spock said some of the same things Kelvin Spock did about time travel, word-for-word. But that opens up another can of worms: Did Sarek and Amanda adopt Michael Burnham in the Kelvin Universe?
Probably not because conflict with the Klingons was not as severe post incursion I'd say no.
 
You timelines are very detailed. But I would make a few additions to it.

Under the Ancient Past
- Dominion founded 8000 BCE; has endured since 4th century CE

Under the 21st century
- Sanctuary Districts 2020-2024 (nationwide in the USA) (DS9)
- Ares IV manned mission to Mars under the International Space Agency in 2032 (VOY)
- Friendship 1 launched in 2067 under UESPA (VOY)

Under 22nd century
- Poverty, disease and war are gone from Earth by 2113 (supported by FC & DS9)

There are also a bunch of references to the 21st and 22nd century in TNG, but these are the main ones for me.
 
You timelines are very detailed. But I would make a few additions to it.

Under the Ancient Past
- Dominion founded 8000 BCE; has endured since 4th century CE

Under the 21st century
- Sanctuary Districts 2020-2024 (nationwide in the USA) (DS9)
- Ares IV manned mission to Mars under the International Space Agency in 2032 (VOY)
- Friendship 1 launched in 2067 under UESPA (VOY)

Under 22nd century
- Poverty, disease and war are gone from Earth by 2113 (supported by FC & DS9)

There are also a bunch of references to the 21st and 22nd century in TNG, but these are the main ones for me.
Yes, I may add those in the future. My timeline started out solely as a TOS Timeline, as I found that TNG and the subsequent shows had a tendency to overwrite things that TOS established. I wanted to see what the Star Trek Universe looked like without the various retcons brought to it decades later by other creatives. I'll insert anything I feel doesn't substantially contradict what TOS already established.
 
Discovery's "Lethe" ties strongly into ST'09's young Spock/Vulcan council scene. And in season 2, Disco Spock said some of the same things Kelvin Spock did about time travel, word-for-word. But that opens up another can of worms: Did Sarek and Amanda adopt Michael Burnham in the Kelvin Universe?
Heck, I'm not even certain if they adopted her in the Prime Universe yet! ;)

I like what I've seen of DSC so far (I'm only partway into the second season), but I'm not yet decided if I can incorporate it into my timeline without distorting it beyond all recognition. I'll have to finish the show first. Right now my gut feeling is that most of the TOS connections weren't really necessary.
 
A Thought About Ceti Alpha V (A theory about what happened to Ceti Alpha V after it exploded)
I think that CA IV exploded as said. It broke up somewhat with most of its mass (its core) pushed out of its orbit toward CA V (just incredible bad luck :weep:). A very close encounter occurs between CA V and the CA IV core; (I'm just spitballing this part since I'm not into orbital mechanics) the core goes just in front of CA V which causes CA V to accelerate and move out to about CA IV's original orbit and caused CA IV and a lot of debris to slow down and come to rest to about CA V's original orbit. In addition, CA V gets plummeted by CA IV debris laying the planet to waste. Khan observed a planet come into the sky ten times the size of the moon, so, with his intellect, he concluded CA IV must have exploded and shifted orbits. Another option could be that CA IV was hit with a very large asteroid or small moon and caused the damage and repositioning of CA IV in the solar system. YMMV. :)
 
So I'm pretty much set on THE BAJORAN WORMHOLE for DS9, as every season of the show involved the wormhole in one way or another.

How does THROUGH THE DELTA QUADRANT sound for VOY? That gets rid of the "INTO" that BK613 was finding too purposeful.
 
So something I've noticed when I've been adding DS9 and VOY episodes to my timeline: The DS9 writers paid a LOT more attention to the internal chronology of their series than the VOY writers did. They were much more consistent in their references, and they hang together in a basic framework much more than the chronological references in VOY did. I'd imagine that this was because DS9 got more and more serialized over time, and they had to keep closer track of these sorts of details. As VOY was more of an "episode of the week" show, they'd tend to just throw out random references like "that episode occurred seven months and ten days before this one" that would almost but not quite work.

Have any other Timeliners noticed this tendency with DS9 episodes? Is there a particular ST show that you've found easier to map out than others?
 
I'd hate to bring this up, but Enterprise is probably the easiest to "map" because they give actual dates in every "starlog".

That said, of course, the twelfth episode of the first season (Silent Enemy) occurs before the eleventh episode of the first season (Cold Front) because of onscreen dating (September 1st and ~September 12th). The odd chronological hiccup doesn't affect the overall plot (thanks, episodic television), and they can be placed in either order comfortably if the date references were ignored.
 
So after a few years of starting up new threads with various questions relating to my Star Trek Timeline (Here's Part 1, going up to the 23rd Century, and here's Part 2, covering the 24th Century shows), I figured I'd just start a dedicated thread to it. This way I can have everything in once place, and I can post my questions in a single thread.

So here's my inaugural question, one that's been stumping me for a few weeks. I'm hoping people here can help me brainstorm: What should I title my sections covering Deep Space Nine and Voyager?

I put the TOS era under THE FIVE-YEAR MISSION and the TNG era under THE CONTINUING MISSION. Those were both easy enough, since I was drawing from the spoken word intros of each show, but since neither DS9 nor VOY have any spoken word intros, nothing is immediately suggesting itself to me.

What I want is a short phrase that makes it obvious which series I'm covering without using the title of the show itself. So under those parameters, what would you call the seven year era where Ben Sisko is commanding Deep Space Nine, or where Voyager is traveling home through the Delta Quadrant? THE EMISSARY ARRIVES seems a bit pretentious, and LOST IN THE DELTA QUADRANT is not especially accurate. Does anybody have any better suggestions?

And, if you have any questions or suggestions concerning my ST Timeline, I'd love to hear 'em! I'd like to keep this thread going beyond just these initial questions. :)
That would be quite a long post, but I have tried to work the timelines out a few times. DS9 and Voyager run very much concurrently. By the time they came out, the Star Date was worked out to be more consistent, so you can see some things take place in a way you could go back and forth between the two pretty comfortably if you want to get into it that way.
 
That would be quite a long post, but I have tried to work the timelines out a few times.
Well, the reason we're here is to talk. If you'd like to share your thoughts, I'm up for hearing them. I personally find it helpful to just talk about individual aspects in turn rather than try and discuss every single bit of the timeline all at once.

Since it seems you're mainly interested in the 24th Century era, you can find my take on it here.
 
Okay, well if there is a need to avoid mentioning the shows, maybe separate the time periods by a major overarcing crisis. There was the Dominion War shown in DS9, and Voyager dealt with the Borg a lot. Of course it doesn't really serve as a replacement for saying what show. The chronologies I keep just have years, stardates, and abbreviations for the show an incident can be seen on.
 
Okay, well if there is a need to avoid mentioning the shows...
A "need" is overstating it. Just my personal preference for the project at this particular time. I could change my mind on it the next time I revise my timeline.

See earlier in the thread for why I prefer not to have titles referring to the Dominion War or the Borg for DS9 and VOY. I want titles that refer to the entire seven-year timeframes of those shows, not just something that happens during part of them.
 
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I have a little word document with my preferred watching order. If I'm ever independently wealthy enough to collect it all and take a year to watch all of Star Trek, that'll be the order. It of course gets updated constantly.
 
A "need" is overstating it. Just my personal preference for the project at this particular time. I could change my mind on it the next time I revise my timeline.

See earlier in the thread for why I prefer not to have titles referring to the Dominion War or the Borg for DS9 and VOY. I want titles that refer to the entire seven-year timeframes of those shows, not just something that happens during part of them.
So maybe, Worm Hole watch for DS9, and Delta Quadrant Odyssey for Voyager
 
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