John's Star Trek Timeline Discussion

Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by JonnyQuest037, Feb 19, 2021.

  1. F. King Daniel

    F. King Daniel Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Discovery's "Lethe" ties strongly into ST'09's young Spock/Vulcan council scene. And in season 2, Disco Spock said some of the same things Kelvin Spock did about time travel, word-for-word. But that opens up another can of worms: Did Sarek and Amanda adopt Michael Burnham in the Kelvin Universe?
     
  2. fireproof78

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    Probably not because conflict with the Klingons was not as severe post incursion I'd say no.
     
  3. FederationHistorian

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    You timelines are very detailed. But I would make a few additions to it.

    Under the Ancient Past
    - Dominion founded 8000 BCE; has endured since 4th century CE

    Under the 21st century
    - Sanctuary Districts 2020-2024 (nationwide in the USA) (DS9)
    - Ares IV manned mission to Mars under the International Space Agency in 2032 (VOY)
    - Friendship 1 launched in 2067 under UESPA (VOY)

    Under 22nd century
    - Poverty, disease and war are gone from Earth by 2113 (supported by FC & DS9)

    There are also a bunch of references to the 21st and 22nd century in TNG, but these are the main ones for me.
     
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  4. JonnyQuest037

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    Yes, I may add those in the future. My timeline started out solely as a TOS Timeline, as I found that TNG and the subsequent shows had a tendency to overwrite things that TOS established. I wanted to see what the Star Trek Universe looked like without the various retcons brought to it decades later by other creatives. I'll insert anything I feel doesn't substantially contradict what TOS already established.
     
  5. JonnyQuest037

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    Heck, I'm not even certain if they adopted her in the Prime Universe yet! ;)

    I like what I've seen of DSC so far (I'm only partway into the second season), but I'm not yet decided if I can incorporate it into my timeline without distorting it beyond all recognition. I'll have to finish the show first. Right now my gut feeling is that most of the TOS connections weren't really necessary.
     
  6. fireproof78

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    No connections are necessary. But it is fun.
     
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  7. Henoch

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    I think that CA IV exploded as said. It broke up somewhat with most of its mass (its core) pushed out of its orbit toward CA V (just incredible bad luck :weep:). A very close encounter occurs between CA V and the CA IV core; (I'm just spitballing this part since I'm not into orbital mechanics) the core goes just in front of CA V which causes CA V to accelerate and move out to about CA IV's original orbit and caused CA IV and a lot of debris to slow down and come to rest to about CA V's original orbit. In addition, CA V gets plummeted by CA IV debris laying the planet to waste. Khan observed a planet come into the sky ten times the size of the moon, so, with his intellect, he concluded CA IV must have exploded and shifted orbits. Another option could be that CA IV was hit with a very large asteroid or small moon and caused the damage and repositioning of CA IV in the solar system. YMMV. :)
     
  8. JonnyQuest037

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    So I'm pretty much set on THE BAJORAN WORMHOLE for DS9, as every season of the show involved the wormhole in one way or another.

    How does THROUGH THE DELTA QUADRANT sound for VOY? That gets rid of the "INTO" that BK613 was finding too purposeful.
     
  9. Henoch

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    Taking inspiration from Jules Verne, 70,000 LIGHTYEARS ACROSS THE GALAXY. :cool:
     
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  10. JonnyQuest037

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    :lol: It's a bit wordy, but I like it! :techman:
     
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  11. JonnyQuest037

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    So something I've noticed when I've been adding DS9 and VOY episodes to my timeline: The DS9 writers paid a LOT more attention to the internal chronology of their series than the VOY writers did. They were much more consistent in their references, and they hang together in a basic framework much more than the chronological references in VOY did. I'd imagine that this was because DS9 got more and more serialized over time, and they had to keep closer track of these sorts of details. As VOY was more of an "episode of the week" show, they'd tend to just throw out random references like "that episode occurred seven months and ten days before this one" that would almost but not quite work.

    Have any other Timeliners noticed this tendency with DS9 episodes? Is there a particular ST show that you've found easier to map out than others?
     
  12. Tim Thomason

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    I'd hate to bring this up, but Enterprise is probably the easiest to "map" because they give actual dates in every "starlog".

    That said, of course, the twelfth episode of the first season (Silent Enemy) occurs before the eleventh episode of the first season (Cold Front) because of onscreen dating (September 1st and ~September 12th). The odd chronological hiccup doesn't affect the overall plot (thanks, episodic television), and they can be placed in either order comfortably if the date references were ignored.
     
  13. JonnyQuest037

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    True. Exact dates do make the job easier, but even then there can be mistakes and adjustments you need to make.