Jodie Whittaker is the 13th Doctor

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

It's a triple repugnant thing to seek out and publish nude pictures.

First, it's a clear attempt at smearing and shaming a person.
Second, it's an unjust assumption that having nude pictures or movies or plays is something to be shameful in the first place. At worst those pictures are somewhat distasteful, at best they are phenomenal art.
Third, it's a cheap attempt to generate clicks or ratings or whatever by voyeuristic hypocrites who jack off to these pictures while crying for morality!

 

[Mudd]

The "role model" thing is something I can never really relate to. When I was a kid I had fantasy characters as role models - Superman when I was five, and when I was twelve or thirteen, Spock - briefly. But pop culture characters are at best incomplete and usually superficial caricatures of human beings, completely adapted to service the repetitious plots of commercial fiction.

Identification with a character is something quite different, and the shows I do enjoy are those where I identify strongly and emotionally with the characters - most often, more than one and including some of the characters I loathe.

 

[Jayson1]

It's a triple repugnant thing to seek out and publish nude pictures.

First, it's a clear attempt at smearing and shaming a person.
Second, it's an unjust assumption that having nude pictures or movies or plays is something to be shameful in the first place. At worst those pictures are somewhat distasteful, at best they are phenomenal art.
Third, it's a cheap attempt to generate clicks or ratings or whatever by voyeuristic hypocrites who jack off to these pictures while crying for morality!

I agree but isn't this kind of standard behavior of the various newspaper rags that use these kind of photo's? I hear that this is a big problem with British newspapers, though with the internet I guess it's a global thing by now.

Jason

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

I agree but isn't this kind of standard behavior of the various newspaper rags that use these kind of photo's? I hear that this is a big problem with British newspapers, though with the internet I guess it's a global thing by now.

Jason

Everybody does it is not a valid excuse.
I forgot Fourth, the double standard that they only do it to women, hardly if ever men.

 

[Jayson1]

The "role model" thing is something I can never really relate to. When I was a kid I had fantasy characters as role models - Superman when I was five, and when I was twelve or thirteen, Spock - briefly. But pop culture characters are at best incomplete and usually superficial caricatures of human beings, completely adapted to service the repetitious plots of commercial fiction.

Identification with a character is something quite different, and the shows I do enjoy are those where I identify strongly and emotionally with the characters - most often, more than one and including some of the characters I loathe.

That's exactly how I feel. I'm not even sure how anyone can even identify with the Doctor anyways because the character is alway never quite human and always above normal human behavior. That is what makes the character interesting.

Then their is the fact that all have endless list of skumbags and bad people I love in fiction from Tony Soprano,Schillinger from OZ, Darth Vadar, Quark, Londo from Babylon 5 and so forth. I mean fiction when done right allows you to see their humanity so you can understand what motivates them but at the same time they still end up doing all sorts of bad things and not only does it not bother me I even enjoy it because in the end it is all fiction.

Jason

 

[Jayson1]

Everybody does it is not a valid excuse.
I forgot Fourth, the double standard that they only do it to women, hardly if ever men.

I'm not excusing it. I am curious how it is allowed? I would think their would be laws against showing nude photo's of people in newspapers without their consent? What is the British version of what we in America would call the "Freedom of the Press?"

Jason

 

[Guy Gardener]

The "role model" thing is something I can never really relate to. When I was a kid I had fantasy characters as role models - Superman when I was five, and when I was twelve or thirteen, Spock - briefly. But pop culture characters are at best incomplete and usually superficial caricatures of human beings, completely adapted to service the repetitious plots of commercial fiction.

Identification with a character is something quite different, and the shows I do enjoy are those where I identify strongly and emotionally with the characters - most often, more than one and including some of the characters I loathe.

I always thought Soundwave, was a good egg in a bad batch.

He defeated the Autobots, and Governed Cybertron justly for three million years throughout a chaotic enenergon crisis, all the while faithfully waiting ice-ages for Megatron's unlikely return, and then stepped down without getting pissy when his movement's true leader returned.

 

[Australis]

It's okay to feel a sense of loss for a role model.. being male and white is not a bad thing.

Doctor Who fans can be very sensitive and delicate, but you know what? Give her a chance and roll with it. She'll either sink or swim in the role and then who knows who will take over next.

Absolutely.

Being white and male is not a bad thing but recognising it comes with privileges that many don't share is no bad thing either. And recognising that white and male isn't default or universal and allowing for other perspectives isn't demonising them either. I say this as a white, heterosexual, cisgendered male.

Absolutely too.

 

[Yminale]

It's 14 months until her 1st series, 4 until her first scene. When should they have announced it?

When Calpaldi announced he was leaving. Probably wouldn't make any difference, but since it comes after the end of the season it feels like stunt casting.

 

[captainkirk]

I think they probably should have announced they were going for a female Doctor several months ago. That way they could wait until the negative reaction has died down before announcing the star.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

I haven't watched Broadchurch and looking at IMDB just realized both Chibnall and Tennant are involved in that so the choice makes sense. Apparently, that's where people probably got the Olivia Colman casting suggestions as well. It will be interesting to see how she fares since visually in terms of age and conventional attractiveness she's probably closest to Tennant amongst the regenerations who was pretty popular in the role.

Does that mean Anna Gunn would be the American Doctor should they try another go? Actually, I wouldn't mind that...

 

[Jan]

I think they probably should have announced they were going for a female Doctor several months ago. That way they could wait until the negative reaction has died down before announcing the star.

Yes, indeed - they should have obviously expected a 'negative reaction' from the 'I'm not sexist, but...' brigade and adjusted their plans accordingly. </sarcasm>

 

[Starkers]

I think they probably should have announced they were going for a female Doctor several months ago. That way they could wait until the negative reaction has died down before announcing the star.

Thus reigniting the negative reaction? Don't get me wrong, some people are unhappy but will give her a chance, but clearly it rankles with some and will continue to rankle them no matter what. I think however the BBC announced it there'd have been a backlash because for a large number of the negatives there's no logic behind their ire.

I haven't watched Broadchurch and looking at IMDB just realized both Chibnall and Tennant are involved in that so the choice makes sense. Apparently, that's where people probably got the Olivia Colman casting suggestions as well. It will be interesting to see how she fares since visually in terms of age and conventional attractiveness she's probably closest to Tennant amongst the regenerations who was pretty popular in the role.

Well a lot of us just thought Olivia Colman because she's a quirky, award winning actress equally at home with drama or comedy. But then I've only seen one episode of Broadchurch which was the final episode of S3 and despite the subject matter I'll be honest, I found it hard to take seriously down to Colman's west country accent, which just kept reminding me of her role in Hot Fuzz!

 

[Bob The Skutter]

Yes, indeed - they should have obviously expected a 'negative reaction' from the 'I'm not sexist, but...' brigade and adjusted their plans accordingly. </sarcasm>

Announce it when Capaldi says he's leaving and the complaint would be 'Why not wait until they know who it is and then we can judge, this is just pandering' or 'They're not even going with who's best, they've made their mind up on a woman already, PC rubbish.'

 

[Doom Shepherd]

I think they probably should have announced they were going for a female Doctor several months ago. That way they could wait until the negative reaction has died down before announcing the star.

They've been hinting at it for literally YEARS. How much prep time do these thick fucks NEED?

 

[StCoop]

I think they probably should have announced they were going for a female Doctor several months ago. That way they could wait until the negative reaction has died down before announcing the star.

That's like saying, "We'll announce we are giving women the right to vote now but we'll wait until the anger dies down before actually letting them do it."

 

[StCoop]

They've been hinting at it for literally YEARS. How much prep time do these thick fucks NEED?

Hell, the last two episodes of Series 10 practically did everything but unveil a giant neon sign screaming "IT'S GOING TO BE A WOMAN. DEAL WITH IT".

 

[marillion]

ok.... I have taken a backseat to this so I could watch the internet burn and for everyone to start shaking things out from the announcement.. I wanted to have some time to put my thoughts together...

I think we (fandom in general) are making a bigger deal out of this than the show ever will...
I am a 47 year old white guy... I grew up here in the States with Tom Baker as my first Doctor on PBS... I have been in fan clubs, bought merch, and had my mom iron on question marks to the collar of my favorite rugby shirt when I was in highschool.

While "MY" Doctors are all British white guys, I don't see this being a big deal. Times change and we change with them or we don't. We make the decision to carry forward with something we love, or we choose to move in another direction.
Are all the people who hate the idea of Jodie Whittaker as the Doctor sexists? No... Many are, for sure.. Many just hate change... Hell, I HATE change.. But you know what? I have no bearing on Doctor Who.. I can whine and fret all I like, but is that going to change anything? No.. So why, WHY waste the energy worrying about it... It is what it is, so let's just sit back and see what they do with her in the role.

Do I love the idea of a woman playing the Doctor? No.. I can't say I love it, but it has nothing to do with her being a woman... I LOVE Doctor Who.. It is my one last "Must See TV" show... I will always love Doctor Who, no matter who pilots the TARDIS.

Am I excited to see what a fine British actor can do with the role? Absolutely... She is great in what I have seen her do and I have high hopes she will bring something fresh to the role, just as Matt Smith did.

The Doctor is timeless.. genderless... The Doctor is designed to be everything we should be as a society.. A protector.. A warrior.. A caregiver.. A friend.. A companion... Someone the world can turn to in a time of need... Who cares if the Doctor is a man or a woman?... The Doctor is the Doctor... The proof will be in the writing.. The proof has always been in the writing.. Peter Capaldi, for me, was the perfect Doctor.. And when the writing was good, he WAS the Doctor.. But when the writing was bad (sadly more often), he suffered for it..

I want Jodie to succeed.. Not to prove a point or for "man to hear her roar.".. I want her to succeed because I love Doctor Who and I never want it to go...

Long may she wield the sonic screwdriver...

 

[DarthPipes]

I think the thing I'm finding annoying now is all the SJWs writing articles about the casting of the new Doctor. Probably people who have never watched the show in the first place.

 

[captainkirk]

That's like saying, "We'll announce we are giving women the right to vote now but we'll wait until the anger dies down before actually letting them do it."

When Voyager was announced they said from the start that they were going to have a woman as the captain. They then only announced who'd been cast much later. Same with Discovery. Your analogy makes no sense because even if they'd cast Whittaker the exact moment Capaldi announced his departure it would still be over a year before her first episode airs. If they'd said earlier on that they were going to have a female Doctor then a lot of the hysterics would be over by the time Whittaker signed on and it would be easier to focus entirely on her casting rather than the fact that the Doctor was going to be a woman.